Tory Leadership Election
Poll: Tory Leadership Election
Total Members Polled: 433
Discussion
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paulrockliffe said:
I don't think that's the case. A General Election that elected a different party on the basis of a multi-policy manifesto would be 1-1 at best. Of course that muddies the water, the winner would claim a mandate to remain in the EU that wouldn't be there. The referendum result was clear and should be respected.
There's no need for an election because of a change of leader and you can look to the history of both parties to see there is plenty of precedent.
Haha ... even saint Nigel was arguing that 52/48 wouldn't be conclusive (up to last Thursday, at least). There's no need for an election because of a change of leader and you can look to the history of both parties to see there is plenty of precedent.
Given that any general election would have to be fought on an in/out basis by the parties, it would be defensible. Who knows, you may even get Jezza to stand for what he really believes. You'd vote for that, surely?
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klootzak said:
paulrockliffe said:
I don't think that's the case. A General Election that elected a different party on the basis of a multi-policy manifesto would be 1-1 at best. Of course that muddies the water, the winner would claim a mandate to remain in the EU that wouldn't be there. The referendum result was clear and should be respected.
There's no need for an election because of a change of leader and you can look to the history of both parties to see there is plenty of precedent.
Haha ... even saint Nigel was arguing that 52/48 wouldn't be conclusive (up to last Thursday, at least). There's no need for an election because of a change of leader and you can look to the history of both parties to see there is plenty of precedent.
Given that any general election would have to be fought on an in/out basis by the parties, it would be defensible. Who knows, you may even get Jezza to stand for what he really believes. You'd vote for that, surely?
k
I'll be voting for Corbyn in due course, don't worry.
eharding said:
The will of the people as of 23rd June 2016 is noted, and respected. The will of the people in October 2016 may well be very different.
Don't really understand why people are talking as if a general election in the autumn is almost a dead certainty; it might happen but I don't think the new leader of the Conservative Party would be under any obligation to call one? However, should it come to pass I can see it could morph into an "EU Referendum 2", especially if one of the main parties made remaining in the EU a manifesto pledge....
Can't see anyway the mods can change it, all we can do on the 10 available names (max no.) is edit any typo's/replace/remove rows. JNW1 said:
Don't really understand why people are talking as if a general election in the autumn is almost a dead certainty; it might happen but I don't think the new leader of the Conservative Party would be under any obligation to call one? However, should it come to pass I can see it could morph into an "EU Referendum 2", especially if one of the main parties made remaining in the EU a manifesto pledge....
Me either. They're wrong and there is no appetite in the Conservative party to hold a general election in light of the Leave vote winning. It's truly bizarre that people keep wittering on about this.It was always the intent of Gove to go for the leadership. I've said that all along and been derided for it on these forums, but it has been clear for years.
His wife, rather conveniently, published a 'private' email which criticised Johnson more than a little. How convenient, eh? Just before Gove goes live.
I doubt he has enough support in the party to get a nomination. I am bemused as to why he is trying. Perhaps for the next leadership challenge? I don't know, but at the moment it would seem to be a two horse race. It is a long time before voting though. If May and Johnson get the nominations, then the party faithful will go with the fat one. May the one true god, or all of them, protect us from idiots, and those who vote for them.
What confuses me is Gove's plan. He's not stupid, but there's little chance of him winning. Further, if the vote is for the exit crafters the Johnson will get it and he'd probably be a bit miffed with Gove whom he felt was behind him.
There's been a spat I think, or else Johnson's support for the Norwegian option has ruffled his feathers.
His wife, rather conveniently, published a 'private' email which criticised Johnson more than a little. How convenient, eh? Just before Gove goes live.
I doubt he has enough support in the party to get a nomination. I am bemused as to why he is trying. Perhaps for the next leadership challenge? I don't know, but at the moment it would seem to be a two horse race. It is a long time before voting though. If May and Johnson get the nominations, then the party faithful will go with the fat one. May the one true god, or all of them, protect us from idiots, and those who vote for them.
What confuses me is Gove's plan. He's not stupid, but there's little chance of him winning. Further, if the vote is for the exit crafters the Johnson will get it and he'd probably be a bit miffed with Gove whom he felt was behind him.
There's been a spat I think, or else Johnson's support for the Norwegian option has ruffled his feathers.
Dromedary66 said:
JNW1 said:
Don't really understand why people are talking as if a general election in the autumn is almost a dead certainty; it might happen but I don't think the new leader of the Conservative Party would be under any obligation to call one? However, should it come to pass I can see it could morph into an "EU Referendum 2", especially if one of the main parties made remaining in the EU a manifesto pledge....
Me either. They're wrong and there is no appetite in the Conservative party to hold a general election in light of the Leave vote winning. It's truly bizarre that people keep wittering on about this.Derek Smith said:
Indeed. There would have to be some form of cataclysmic event to trigger and election now, when the party is starting with a new leader.
Well...both main gangs in turmoil, country in turmoil (split anyway), the economy/market in turmoil. Chaos is a ladder for those who wanna make a bid. No time like the present? 
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