Negotiators

Author
Discussion

Don

Original Poster:

28,377 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
New Zealand would consider offering the UK a loan of its best trade negotiators if this was of assistance.

Thanks, Guys, we might need 'em yet.

But who I want negotiating for me is the nastiest, meanest, son of a bh, psychopathic, steely-eyed the Conservative Party can muster. The sort that can smile nicely whilst twisting the knife. It's going to take that and then some.

But who? Nominations, please. Reasons.

Gove looks like too much of a pussy cat. He's not going to frighten anybody.


alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Don said:
Gove looks like too much of a pussy cat. He's not going to frighten anybody.
Not sure BoJo would agree with you biggrin

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Highly experienced trade negotiators would be a Godsend. Nothing trumps talent and experience. The only ones we have are a handful currently working for the EU and Peter Lilley.

PositronicRay

26,957 posts

182 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
See if Mark Carney can rustle up some "good ol boys"

The truth is most is done in the back room by lawyers, presented, taken back to member states, rejected, cycle continues. Needs people with stamina and good handwriting.

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all

I think Jacob Rees Mogg - made his money in finance, well liked and a caricature of a Brit who will wrongfoot his counterparts.

Starfighter

4,908 posts

177 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Ah, yes. The Honourable Member for the 18th century.

swimd

350 posts

120 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
I nominate Sasha Baron Cohen based on the events that happened over the last few days

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
loafer123 said:
I think Jacob Rees Mogg - made his money in finance, well liked and a caricature of a Brit who will wrongfoot his counterparts.
I am sure the Mogg is a highly capable man, but I doubt he knows much about trade negotiations. A big team is needed anyway, I am sure a role could be found for him.

Peter Lilley is my choice for lead negotiator. He has done this before and is an old school Thatcherite Euro-skeptic cold war warrior.

valiant

10,068 posts

159 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
I wouldn't limit it to Tory politicos.

We need the very best GB has, whatever the political side they hail from. Same goes for using the civil service and even business leaders.

This is far too important to let party cronies or those seeking higher office, a seat in the Lords or a knighthood to get a less than satisfactory deal.

Only one chance to get this right and with the right people we may come out of this much stronger than how we went in.

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
valiant said:
I wouldn't limit it to Tory politicos.

We need the very best GB has, whatever the political side they hail from. Same goes for using the civil service and even business leaders.

This is far too important to let party cronies or those seeking higher office, a seat in the Lords or a knighthood to get a less than satisfactory deal.

Only one chance to get this right and with the right people we may come out of this much stronger than how we went in.
Good luck finding the very best from Labour (maybe one or two exceptions, Frank Field for one). They were mostly for in anyway. So not many with their heart in it to choose from. Same for LibDems. Of course some senior business leaders would be part of a team.

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Norman Tebbit


alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
voyds9 said:
Norman Tebbit

On ya bike

Fittster

20,120 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Can any negotiation take place until we have left the EU (which could be a long way off)?

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Fittster said:
Can any negotiation take place until we have left the EU (which could be a long way off)?
Firstly we have to negotiate for up to two years before exit. But I guess we can have talks with anyone else in parallel if we have the resources, why not?

Hereward

4,134 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Germany currently sells over 800,000 cars a year to the UK. I think we will be in a fairly strong position at the negotiating table.

Fittster

20,120 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
s2art said:
Fittster said:
Can any negotiation take place until we have left the EU (which could be a long way off)?
Firstly we have to negotiate for up to two years before exit. But I guess we can have talks with anyone else in parallel if we have the resources, why not?
Two years after article 50. As there's no date for article 50, which maybe years away itself, you can't really negotiate. "We'd like to sell you financial services and won't put tariffs on you sheep, however we have no idea when we can start to do that".

So you can't really sort out any deals until you have some time scales which you aren't going to get until after the article 50 button has been pushed, which has a lot of issues to sort out first.


s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Fittster said:
Two years after article 50. As there's no date for article 50, which maybe years away itself, you can't really negotiate. "We'd like to sell you financial services and won't put tariffs on you sheep, however we have no idea when we can start to do that".

So you can't really sort out any deals until you have some time scales which you aren't going to get until after the article 50 button has been pushed, which has a lot of issues to sort out first.
It will be later this year.

Fittster

20,120 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Hereward said:
Germany currently sells over 800,000 cars a year to the UK. I think we will be in a fairly strong position at the negotiating table.
And how much of London's financial services can Frankfurt take if they strip us of our 'EU passport'? Maybe what they lose in car sales they can make up elsewhere.

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Fittster said:
Hereward said:
Germany currently sells over 800,000 cars a year to the UK. I think we will be in a fairly strong position at the negotiating table.
And how much of London's financial services can Frankfurt take if they strip us of our 'EU passport'? Maybe what they lose in car sales they can make up elsewhere.
Some, but remember a lot has already gone to Luxembourg. Not sure how much else needs to go. Anyway with EFTA/EEA and the emergency brake solution non of it goes.

ATG

20,482 posts

271 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
quotequote all
Hereward said:
Germany currently sells over 800,000 cars a year to the UK. I think we will be in a fairly strong position at the negotiating table.
Please, not this ste again. You do realise that that is a double edged sword? If the negotiators on both sides can't find a good deal for everyone, then it'll be UK POLITICIANS who impose tariffs and import quotas on German cars, so it'll be UK POLITICIANS who the UK public will hold to account for the price increase in the nice German cars they want to buy but can no longer afford. All a big trade flow like this means is that a lot is at stake for both sides. It doesn't improve one side's hand much. Everyone benefits if the trade is maintained. Everyone suffers if it isn't.

I wish it were the same for financial services. The interests there are completely opposed. EU states would love to be able to force financial service activity to relocate from the UK to the EU. With us out of the Single Market, they could easily make this happen. And our bargaining chip is ... ?