What's so bad about EU regulation anyway?
Discussion
jjlynn27 said:
As I said, could be wrong, thanks for the correction. Still not sure how is that relevant to EU regulations. If you are just interested in scoring points, that is also perfectly fine. It doesn't further discussion.
WW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
surely it is a matter of how each individual sees the role of the eu ? i personally thought the original concept and even a small amount of the mission creep was a great idea. the euro was a step too far and it really all has gone to sWW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
t since then.i know i can be a bit if a smart arse with my replies, but i find it hard to keep them serious when arguing whether the eu as it currently exists is fit for purpose. the southern european states would have bounced along quite happily manipulating their own currencies to keep heads above water ad infinitum without the euro.
a few ideologists with lentil knitting degrees start getting ideas of how they can all become bankers/lawyers/bureaucrats instead of farmers and fishermen ,use eu funding to redirect thinking and all of a sudden we have at least half a generation of young southern europeans on the scrap heap,one country down the toilet and another, possibly two clinging on by their fingertips.
now the northern states can turn round and say, well all that does not affect us and they would be correct to a degree. my answer to that is ,wtf is the point of the eu if that is the case ?
longer term i can see no solution to the economic mess the eurozone is in . at some point the non members will be dragged into the mess . better out now to get a head start with the rest of the world ,lay the ground work for those that will follow when it does collapse.
jjlynn27 said:
As I said, could be wrong, thanks for the correction. Still not sure how is that relevant to EU regulations. If you are just interested in scoring points, that is also perfectly fine. It doesn't further discussion.
WW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
I speak to people abroad as well, every single one of them understands our reasons. They may think we have it out of proportion, they may think they are outweighed by EU advantages, but I haven't spoken to one who doesn't sympathise with our frustration. There is a widespread feeling that BREXIT might just induce the EU commission to take a reality pill.WW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
wc98 said:
surely it is a matter of how each individual sees the role of the eu ? i personally thought the original concept and even a small amount of the mission creep was a great idea. the euro was a step too far and it really all has gone to st since then.
i know i can be a bit if a smart arse with my replies, but i find it hard to keep them serious when arguing whether the eu as it currently exists is fit for purpose. the southern european states would have bounced along quite happily manipulating their own currencies to keep heads above water ad infinitum without the euro.
a few ideologists with lentil knitting degrees start getting ideas of how they can all become bankers/lawyers/bureaucrats instead of farmers and fishermen ,use eu funding to redirect thinking and all of a sudden we have at least half a generation of young southern europeans on the scrap heap,one country down the toilet and another, possibly two clinging on by their fingertips.
now the northern states can turn round and say, well all that does not affect us and they would be correct to a degree. my answer to that is ,wtf is the point of the eu if that is the case ?
longer term i can see no solution to the economic mess the eurozone is in . at some point the non members will be dragged into the mess . better out now to get a head start with the rest of the world ,lay the ground work for those that will follow when it does collapse.
not quite that simple though.t since then.i know i can be a bit if a smart arse with my replies, but i find it hard to keep them serious when arguing whether the eu as it currently exists is fit for purpose. the southern european states would have bounced along quite happily manipulating their own currencies to keep heads above water ad infinitum without the euro.
a few ideologists with lentil knitting degrees start getting ideas of how they can all become bankers/lawyers/bureaucrats instead of farmers and fishermen ,use eu funding to redirect thinking and all of a sudden we have at least half a generation of young southern europeans on the scrap heap,one country down the toilet and another, possibly two clinging on by their fingertips.
now the northern states can turn round and say, well all that does not affect us and they would be correct to a degree. my answer to that is ,wtf is the point of the eu if that is the case ?
longer term i can see no solution to the economic mess the eurozone is in . at some point the non members will be dragged into the mess . better out now to get a head start with the rest of the world ,lay the ground work for those that will follow when it does collapse.
it is not that the northern countries as you put it haven't noticed; quite the opposite, they have benefited incredibly. the low value of the euro in relation to their countries' production power has enabled them to make trillions that they should not have been able to.
What is incredibly worrying from this is how can the Deutsche bank be in trouble with all the advantages Germany has had
wc98 said:
surely it is a matter of how each individual sees the role of the eu ? i personally thought the original concept and even a small amount of the mission creep was a great idea. the euro was a step too far and it really all has gone to st since then.
i know i can be a bit if a smart arse with my replies, but i find it hard to keep them serious when arguing whether the eu as it currently exists is fit for purpose. the southern european states would have bounced along quite happily manipulating their own currencies to keep heads above water ad infinitum without the euro.
a few ideologists with lentil knitting degrees start getting ideas of how they can all become bankers/lawyers/bureaucrats instead of farmers and fishermen ,use eu funding to redirect thinking and all of a sudden we have at least half a generation of young southern europeans on the scrap heap,one country down the toilet and another, possibly two clinging on by their fingertips.
now the northern states can turn round and say, well all that does not affect us and they would be correct to a degree. my answer to that is ,wtf is the point of the eu if that is the case ?
longer term i can see no solution to the economic mess the eurozone is in . at some point the non members will be dragged into the mess . better out now to get a head start with the rest of the world ,lay the ground work for those that will follow when it does collapse.
As soon as you type lentil knitting degree, you lost me.t since then.i know i can be a bit if a smart arse with my replies, but i find it hard to keep them serious when arguing whether the eu as it currently exists is fit for purpose. the southern european states would have bounced along quite happily manipulating their own currencies to keep heads above water ad infinitum without the euro.
a few ideologists with lentil knitting degrees start getting ideas of how they can all become bankers/lawyers/bureaucrats instead of farmers and fishermen ,use eu funding to redirect thinking and all of a sudden we have at least half a generation of young southern europeans on the scrap heap,one country down the toilet and another, possibly two clinging on by their fingertips.
now the northern states can turn round and say, well all that does not affect us and they would be correct to a degree. my answer to that is ,wtf is the point of the eu if that is the case ?
longer term i can see no solution to the economic mess the eurozone is in . at some point the non members will be dragged into the mess . better out now to get a head start with the rest of the world ,lay the ground work for those that will follow when it does collapse.
Once again, this is a thread about regulation and negative impact on people's lives. The empirical evidence seems to be almost non-existent.
Re-read this thread and see what people are complaining about. As for everything else there are other threads.
Dr Jekyll said:
jjlynn27 said:
As I said, could be wrong, thanks for the correction. Still not sure how is that relevant to EU regulations. If you are just interested in scoring points, that is also perfectly fine. It doesn't further discussion.
WW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
I speak to people abroad as well, every single one of them understands our reasons. They may think we have it out of proportion, they may think they are outweighed by EU advantages, but I haven't spoken to one who doesn't sympathise with our frustration. There is a widespread feeling that BREXIT might just induce the EU commission to take a reality pill.WW came with an interesting example. I'm sure that there are 100s more good examples. I doubt that anyone is saying that EU is perfect, but it seems that people are saying that because it's not perfect we'd be better out of it.
I spoke with people abroad. Everyone seems to be perplexed. 'Why?' is the most common question.
I think I'm bit more pragmatic. I care for benefits and advantages for this country, what EU commission does or doesn't do as a result of Brexit, I don't particularly care.
wc98 said:
andymadmak said:
jjlynn27 said:
Afaik diesels are lot more popular in UK then EU (could be wrong), even taking disparity of prices between UK and the continent.
More wrong than a wrong thing that is very very wrong. 
Sam All said:
wc98 said:
andymadmak said:
jjlynn27 said:
Afaik diesels are lot more popular in UK then EU (could be wrong), even taking disparity of prices between UK and the continent.
More wrong than a wrong thing that is very very wrong. fido said:
Taking cars for example, does it cost Japan much more to make a car for the UK because they also right-hand drive? Just saying it's not as difficult as some try to make out, and also because international standards are converging outside the EU as well.
Japan drives on the left... Which is why most Jap cars have their indicators on the correct side of the steering wheel for driving in the UK, as opposed to say BMWs who just move the steering wheel over
biggles330d said:
But this is the point. We ask 'what do we get back'. Answer, lots, everywhere, all over the place but it's not so obvious unless you look. If I think about it, quite a bit of what I do has its origins in and a good deal of funding contribution from the many EU programmes. The project I'm working on right now is effectively dead because the UK is on its way out from being an EU member state and looses all entitlement to being a project partner and receiving money with the two other EU countries involved.
Look around at all the more 'cultural' things that make our towns and cities nice places to visit. The investment in redevelopment, public spaces, art and museums. None make any pure commercial sense and most are supported by the social funds the EU hands out, particularly in the gritty, challenged and unattractive post-industrial places. You'd be amazed at how many come with the blue flag of the EU attached. This all stops when we're out. It'll be for us as UK tax payers to pay for ourselves and personally, I can't see the UK Government being anywhere near as keen to do this.
Yup, we Look around at all the more 'cultural' things that make our towns and cities nice places to visit. The investment in redevelopment, public spaces, art and museums. None make any pure commercial sense and most are supported by the social funds the EU hands out, particularly in the gritty, challenged and unattractive post-industrial places. You'd be amazed at how many come with the blue flag of the EU attached. This all stops when we're out. It'll be for us as UK tax payers to pay for ourselves and personally, I can't see the UK Government being anywhere near as keen to do this.
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