Farage stands down as UKIP leader
Discussion
Zod said:
Turquoise said:
jjlynn27 said:
Turquoise said:
alfie2244 said:
Turquoise said:
Not his wisest move.
Silly sod.
Agreed but a bit like a UK pop group - not really made it until you have success across the pond.Silly sod.
He got what I wanted, a referendum, as long as he sticks around just in case he's required he can do what he likes as far as I am concerned.
dandarez said:
Sylvaforever said:
Interestingly, despite what you may think of him, he has been100% correct over the issues that really matters. Libya, Ukraine, Putin, Syria, the EU manufactured migrant crisis and Brexit, he has been proven, time after time, to be totally accurate in his assesments of these issues.
Unpalitable for those who cannot or will not open their eyes.
jjlynn can't open his eyes - he's too deep under water.Unpalitable for those who cannot or will not open their eyes.
He's just an AGEIST GIT!
If you hadn't noticed, he really does seem to have a serious ongoing problem with people of a certain age. He brings it up all the time. He actually thinks it's funny.
I do wonder if he forgets that one day he too will be old? If he's lucky of course.
I'm hoping that the generation before him, are like him, but far worse. Quite likely too, when you remember my generation were taught to 'respect' their elders. That went by the wayside.
He won't find it funny then! Here, have one of your rollers you love to use,
you ageist git!He doesn't know how old I am. He knows nothing about me whatsoever. Not one single thing.
Turquoise said:
dandarez said:
Sylvaforever said:
Interestingly, despite what you may think of him, he has been100% correct over the issues that really matters. Libya, Ukraine, Putin, Syria, the EU manufactured migrant crisis and Brexit, he has been proven, time after time, to be totally accurate in his assesments of these issues.
Unpalitable for those who cannot or will not open their eyes.
jjlynn can't open his eyes - he's too deep under water.Unpalitable for those who cannot or will not open their eyes.
He's just an AGEIST GIT!
If you hadn't noticed, he really does seem to have a serious ongoing problem with people of a certain age. He brings it up all the time. He actually thinks it's funny.
I do wonder if he forgets that one day he too will be old? If he's lucky of course.
I'm hoping that the generation before him, are like him, but far worse. Quite likely too, when you remember my generation were taught to 'respect' their elders. That went by the wayside.
He won't find it funny then! Here, have one of your rollers you love to use,
you ageist git!He doesn't know how old I am. He knows nothing about me whatsoever. Not one single thing.
Derek Smith said:
Indeed Farage didn't lie by saying the EU costs the UK £350m per week. However, he did say that the EU costs us £55m per day. Now I'm not that good at maths but that seems to me to be a bigger lie.
Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
Seems unworthy of you Derek, could you possibly provide a link that shows that in context? Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
Thorodin said:
Derek Smith said:
Indeed Farage didn't lie by saying the EU costs the UK £350m per week. However, he did say that the EU costs us £55m per day. Now I'm not that good at maths but that seems to me to be a bigger lie.
Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
Seems unworthy of you Derek, could you possibly provide a link that shows that in context? Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
Turquoise said:
What's the point he's trying to make regarding age? Is he alluding to me being an old stuck in my ways little englander, so it fits his agenda?
He doesn't know how old I am. He knows nothing about me whatsoever. Not one single thing.
The point that 'he' is trying to make is that there was no sarcasm and/or insults, it was in a reply to your previous statement. If anything else is not clear you can ask, or you can ask dan the train man. Sensitive kippers, aka Farage disciples are funny. Not sure what is confusing. As for 'old stuck in own ways little englander' those are your words. There was no alluding. He doesn't know how old I am. He knows nothing about me whatsoever. Not one single thing.
HTH.
rscott said:
Thanks for that. I'm sure I can't be alone in somehow thinking that Farage definitely did not say what is attributed to him. Watched it twice and am certain that although several people wanted him to say those words in fact he didn't. Not even out of context could his words have possibly given the slightest intimation that he even might have wanted to. As with most of what he has actually said, the wishful thinking for him to drop a clanger is rubbished. All that does is strengthen his position. If anyone can provide a link to corroborate this junk I for one would be greatly obliged and grateful for the correction. There must be some basis for the common belief that he said these things, is it too much to ask for unequivocal evidence? Thorodin said:
rscott said:
Thanks for that. I'm sure I can't be alone in somehow thinking that Farage definitely did not say what is attributed to him. Watched it twice and am certain that although several people wanted him to say those words in fact he didn't. Not even out of context could his words have possibly given the slightest intimation that he even might have wanted to. As with most of what he has actually said, the wishful thinking for him to drop a clanger is rubbished. All that does is strengthen his position. If anyone can provide a link to corroborate this junk I for one would be greatly obliged and grateful for the correction. There must be some basis for the common belief that he said these things, is it too much to ask for unequivocal evidence? 
is that how you do it JJ?
alfie2244 said:
Thorodin said:
rscott said:
Thanks for that. I'm sure I can't be alone in somehow thinking that Farage definitely did not say what is attributed to him. Watched it twice and am certain that although several people wanted him to say those words in fact he didn't. Not even out of context could his words have possibly given the slightest intimation that he even might have wanted to. As with most of what he has actually said, the wishful thinking for him to drop a clanger is rubbished. All that does is strengthen his position. If anyone can provide a link to corroborate this junk I for one would be greatly obliged and grateful for the correction. There must be some basis for the common belief that he said these things, is it too much to ask for unequivocal evidence? In fairness he doesn't mention the NHS but he does explicitly say...
"It costs £55million every single day to be a member of this European Union."
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/64...
Thorodin said:
Derek Smith said:
Indeed Farage didn't lie by saying the EU costs the UK £350m per week. However, he did say that the EU costs us £55m per day. Now I'm not that good at maths but that seems to me to be a bigger lie.
Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
Seems unworthy of you Derek, could you possibly provide a link that shows that in context? Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party,
but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS
walm said:
alfie2244 said:
Thorodin said:
rscott said:
Thanks for that. I'm sure I can't be alone in somehow thinking that Farage definitely did not say what is attributed to him. Watched it twice and am certain that although several people wanted him to say those words in fact he didn't. Not even out of context could his words have possibly given the slightest intimation that he even might have wanted to. As with most of what he has actually said, the wishful thinking for him to drop a clanger is rubbished. All that does is strengthen his position. If anyone can provide a link to corroborate this junk I for one would be greatly obliged and grateful for the correction. There must be some basis for the common belief that he said these things, is it too much to ask for unequivocal evidence? In fairness he doesn't mention the NHS but he does explicitly say...
"It costs £55million every single day to be a member of this European Union."
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/64...
alfie2244 said:
Fair enough £50m not £55........the lying barsteward......or was he including other payments ( protection money) for our ever flourishing sex and drugs trade?
I thought the point was that immediately post Brexit he said the £350m was a mistake which he blamed on the Vote Leave people.Mostly because it was very obviously a gross figure rather than net, I assumed.
Derek Smith said:
Jinx said:
Jimboka said:
I wonder if the Americans would fall for an extra 350 zillion a week to Healthcare & no immigration if Trump followed the Farage model..
That was Vote Leave's message - Boris and Gove. Farage wasn't part of Vote Leave - but thanks for taking part.......Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party, but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS and that was, some have suggested, ifluential. Why anybody would believe Farage is difficult to say. What he said was a load of eyewash all the way through - he said 110% of our laws were made by the EU. It think that was his figure. I've just plucked it out of the air. Just like he did.
I guess the '55m' a day will cover the increased costs, if the 5%+ NHS workers from the EU are kicked out!
Luckily our US friends won't be as stupid...
Derek Smith said:
I can't find the original source immediately but here's a report of the Express interview when these are repeated.
Sorry Derek, unacceptable. I still await to read a creditworthy quote where he specifically says, or even hints, that he would intend to spend that money on the NHS. Or are we still under the rules governing allegations of sexual assault where to accuse proves guilt? It just won't do I'm afraid to put words one would have liked him to have said in his mouth. After all, he has hardly been hiding when speaking has he? Every syllable he utters is scribbled down for posterity - just as well isn't it?Derek Smith said:
Jinx said:
Jimboka said:
I wonder if the Americans would fall for an extra 350 zillion a week to Healthcare & no immigration if Trump followed the Farage model..
That was Vote Leave's message - Boris and Gove. Farage wasn't part of Vote Leave - but thanks for taking part.......Farage might not have been seen as an asset to Johnson and Gove, both of whom wanted to be leader of the tory party, but he also said that the £350/£385m a week would be spent on the NHS and that was, some have suggested, ifluential. Why anybody would believe Farage is difficult to say. What he said was a load of eyewash all the way through - he said 110% of our laws were made by the EU. It think that was his figure. I've just plucked it out of the air. Just like he did.
As far as I can remember, Nigel was very quick to condemn the £350m for the NHS claim.
A quick Google shows lots of stories that claim that Nigel "backtracked" on the claim. Read all of these in the same way that you read a Daily Mail story. The reports are largely accurate, but they do contain some misdirection.
This is typical:-
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/26/footage-shows-nigel-...
The headline suggests that Farage is backtracking, but there is no evidence at all that he ever supported the £350m claim. They are disingenuos, because they claim that he was part of the "Leave" campaign.
metro said:
It comes days after Mr Farage said pledging £350 million for the health service was a ‘mistake’, but blamed it on other Leave campaigners.
This is nothing more than very subtle propoganda. The difference between a capital "L" and a small "l" is almost unnoticable, but very influential.The fact is that Farage had nothing to do with the "Leave" campaign.
One thing that I learned during the campaign is that you cannot trust anything that anyone says. That includes people that you agree with. Very difficult!
What he did say while discussing the 350m
Is , "what people need is Schools,Hospitals and Gp's"
He didnt say spent on the NHS, although Hospitals and Gp's would count as the NHS IMO. Unless he wants to see the money spent in the private sector.
Is , "what people need is Schools,Hospitals and Gp's"
He didnt say spent on the NHS, although Hospitals and Gp's would count as the NHS IMO. Unless he wants to see the money spent in the private sector.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th August 09:57
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th August 09:58
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