Farage stands down as UKIP leader

Farage stands down as UKIP leader

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alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Ghibli said:
What he did say while discussing the 350m

Is , "what people need is Schools,Hospitals and Gp's"

He didnt say spent on the NHS, although Hospitals and Gp's would count as the NHS IMO. Unless he wants to see the money spent in the private sector.



Edited by Ghibli on Friday 26th August 09:57


Edited by Ghibli on Friday 26th August 09:58
And the FACT he mentioned schools clearly shows he would like any money saved by exiting the EU to be spent in numerous areas not just hospitals or NHS for that matter. This doesn't support the required narrative for Remainers so gets twisted or manipulated....anyone with half a brain (generally older people) can see this.

This is not the case for the official Leave campaign (NF not required) or Boris and his bus yet somehow they seem to be allowed off the hook. confused

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
This doesn't support the required narrative for Remainers so gets twisted or manipulated.
No.
What supports their narrative is that (as above) he said that it costs £55m a day.
Which is a lie.

Trying to weasel out of it with the NHS red herring is pathetic.

And the Boris Bus is even worse - and certainly isn't let off the hook.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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walm said:
alfie2244 said:
This doesn't support the required narrative for Remainers so gets twisted or manipulated.
No.
What supports their narrative is that (as above) he said that it costs £55m a day.
Which is a lie.

Trying to weasel out of it with the NHS red herring is pathetic.

And the Boris Bus is even worse - and certainly isn't let off the hook.
Oh I see........Boris and the official Leave team are the worse liars.

The bus said " We send the EU £350million p/w - Lets fund our NHS instead - vote leave - lets take back control.

Have a listen to this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-r...



Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 26th August 10:43

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Oh I see........Boris and the official Leave team are the worse liars.
Not sure who's worse.
Plenty of BS from Remainers too.

I am just objecting to people conveniently ignoring one particular individual's lies like it never happened.



alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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walm said:
alfie2244 said:
Oh I see........Boris and the official Leave team are the worse liars.
Not sure who's worse.
Plenty of BS from Remainers too.

I am just objecting to people conveniently ignoring one particular individual's lies like it never happened.
You said "And the Boris Bus is even worse" make your mind up please.

Only checked back 30 days but can't see any of your posts complaining about their lies....or do Farage's carry more weight?

Considering most involved, on both sides,of the referendum are still involved in UK politics and are likely to be post Brexit..........would it not be wiser to focus on their lies rather than somebody who appears to be going off on a world tour loudly banging his anti establishment drum?


walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Only checked back 30 days but can't see any of your posts complaining about their lies....or do Farage's carry more weight?
In a thread about Farage - yes.

If we were talking about Boris then I would be talking about his lies.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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walm said:
In a thread about Farage - yes.

If we were talking about Boris then I would be talking about his lies.
I will leave the privilege of being the OP in a "Boris is a liar thread" to you..........after all, unlike Farage in the USA, he is still involved in UK politics and will be post Brexit.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Ghibli said:
What he did say while discussing the 350m

Is , "what people need is Schools,Hospitals and Gp's"

He didnt say spent on the NHS, although Hospitals and Gp's would count as the NHS IMO. Unless he wants to see the money spent in the private sector.



Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th August 09:57


Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 26th August 09:58
And the FACT he mentioned schools clearly shows he would like any money saved by exiting the EU to be spent in numerous areas not just hospitals or NHS for that matter. This doesn't support the required narrative for Remainers so gets twisted or manipulated....anyone with half a brain (generally older people) can see this.

This is not the case for the official Leave campaign (NF not required) or Boris and his bus yet somehow they seem to be allowed off the hook. confused
I am only quoting what he said and yes he does mention schools.

The golden question is how much will actually be saved by leaving the EU. If you have a link to these figures I am more than happy to look.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Ghibli said:
I am only quoting what he said and yes he does mention schools.

The golden question is how much will actually be saved by leaving the EU. If you have a link to these figures I am more than happy to look.
Not a golden question for me..there is a lot more to all things EU / life than money.

I personally don't care how much the saving is, it will be a saving and the EU won't be taking their cut of our taxes (even illegal sex and drugs FFS) in fact I would be happy to extradite ourselves from the failing project (ponzi) that is trying to form a USEU even if it meant we didn't save money at all.

Without going through the whole details of monies we pay and why, could you please explain the logic in just one example: The monthly commute to Strasbourg costing £millions, not just the travel but infrastructure, staffing costs etc

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 26th August 11:44

Thorodin

2,459 posts

133 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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It's amazing what gets ignored when it suits and what gets an exaggerated interest. The practice serves to ridicule the value of otherwise respected reputations and coincidentally enhances the standing of the very individual being traduced. In the link above Farage is pointedly asked "Would you spend the money saved by leaving the EU on the NHS"? (referring to the money on the side of the bus). He replies "No I wouldn't". There's no hedging, no prevarication, no hesitation or double intention. You can't have it plainer than that. Is there anyone at all who misunderstands plain, direct English? There does seem to be plenty who do, but ignore it to lie continually. To deliberately misrepresent is to lie.

Edited by Thorodin on Friday 26th August 11:49

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Not a golden question for me..there is a lot more to all things EU / life than money.

I personally don't care how much the saving is, it will be a saving and the EU won't be taking their cut of our taxes (even illegal sex and drugs FFS) in fact I would be happy to extradite ourselves from the failing project (ponzi) that is trying to form a USEA even if it meant we didn't save money at all.

Without going through the whole details of monies we pay and why, could you please explain the logic in just one example: The monthly commute to Strasbourg costing £millions, not just the travel but infrastructure, staffing costs etc
Fair enough,

As far as I am aware there are no figures, hopefully one of the brexit boys is working on it.

The following was one of the suggestions to pay for our trade deals, it makes me wonder why our aid money isn't going to the NHS and schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/30/britain...

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Ghibli said:
alfie2244 said:
Not a golden question for me..there is a lot more to all things EU / life than money.

I personally don't care how much the saving is, it will be a saving and the EU won't be taking their cut of our taxes (even illegal sex and drugs FFS) in fact I would be happy to extradite ourselves from the failing project (ponzi) that is trying to form a USEA even if it meant we didn't save money at all.

Without going through the whole details of monies we pay and why, could you please explain the logic in just one example: The monthly commute to Strasbourg costing £millions, not just the travel but infrastructure, staffing costs etc
Fair enough,

As far as I am aware there are no figures, hopefully one of the brexit boys is working on it.

The following was one of the suggestions to pay for our trade deals, it makes me wonder why our aid money isn't going to the NHS and schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/30/britain...
Strasbourg - No comment?

Well when we Brexit we will be able to choose where we send our money.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Strasbourg - No comment?

Well when we Brexit we will be able to choose where we send our money.
I don't need to comment on Strasbourg, I am asking how much our expenses will be when we leave.

I haven't seen the figures and I am guessing you haven't either. The only way of knowing if it is cost effective is when we see the figures.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Ghibli said:
alfie2244 said:
Strasbourg - No comment?

Well when we Brexit we will be able to choose where we send our money.
I don't need to comment on Strasbourg, I am asking how much our expenses will be when we leave.

I haven't seen the figures and I am guessing you haven't either. The only way of knowing if it is cost effective is when we see the figures.
You must be an accountant........I prefer to value things in terms other than the financial cost.

steveT350C

6,728 posts

161 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Countdown

39,864 posts

196 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Is Trump Farage still an elected MEP? As in "getting paid to be an MEP rather than stumping for Trump"?

EFA

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 28th August 15:44

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Countdown said:
Is Trump still an elected MEP? As in "getting paid to be an MEP rather than stumping for Trump"?
Trump is not an MEP.

Countdown

39,864 posts

196 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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s2art said:
Countdown said:
Is Trump still an elected MEP? As in "getting paid to be an MEP rather than stumping for Trump"?
Trump is not an MEP.
Apologies, I was getting my proto-fascist dictators mixed up biggrin

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Countdown said:
Apologies, I was getting my proto-fascist dictators mixed up biggrin
It's easily done. wink

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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It's an age thing causing some people get mixed up easier than others....generally the older you get the more concise the thinking........I think I got it the right way round biggrin