something afoot in Turkey?
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Don't think there's a meanwhile in Turkey... thread, but 35 reported dead in NYE attack-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521
Gotta feel for them. Increasingly nationalistic and authoritarian government on one side, a literal war on the other and a seperatist civil conflict inbetween.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521
Gotta feel for them. Increasingly nationalistic and authoritarian government on one side, a literal war on the other and a seperatist civil conflict inbetween.
Dressed as Santa. New Year celebration. Is there a message in the symbolism? Usual meanness.
http://news.sky.com/story/armed-attack-at-istanbul...
http://news.sky.com/story/armed-attack-at-istanbul...
Not really surprising that Turkey has now sided more with Russia over Syria. However, it does rather emphasise that 2016 may well prove to have been a very significant turning point in East/West power, and relations in general. Rather a shame that sizeable chunks of democracy appear to have been thrown away.
The mood here this morning is very low following the latest atrocity.
From what I know:
the USA warned Reina and the government to be on high alert' something was in the making;
apparently steps were taken (but the usual half-arsed Turkish approach) and were completely inadequate / unprepared.
From what I know:
the USA warned Reina and the government to be on high alert' something was in the making;
apparently steps were taken (but the usual half-arsed Turkish approach) and were completely inadequate / unprepared.
In obviously completely unrelated news, Erdogan's AKP has apparently been distributing banners with 'We are Muslims. NO to New Years & Christmas celebrations.' on them.
With a picture of a suitably devout local man on them punching Santa.
Plus there have been apparently demonstrations on the streets carrying the banners.
Nothing to do with this incident though.
With a picture of a suitably devout local man on them punching Santa.
Plus there have been apparently demonstrations on the streets carrying the banners.
Nothing to do with this incident though.
Jonesy23 said:
In obviously completely unrelated news, Erdogan's AKP has apparently been distributing banners with 'We are Muslims. NO to New Years & Christmas celebrations.' on them.
With a picture of a suitably devout local man on them punching Santa.
Plus there have been apparently demonstrations on the streets carrying the banners.
Nothing to do with this incident though.
With a picture of a suitably devout local man on them punching Santa.
Plus there have been apparently demonstrations on the streets carrying the banners.
Nothing to do with this incident though.
Cobnapint said:
Troubleatmill said:
So when does the Christian Jihad begin in protest against these offensive cartoons.....?
It gets pretty bad when one cannot attend a church service here at Christmas or Easter for the past 2 years because the government in this (secular) country refuses to increase police presence around churches, yet continues to push to fund and build mosques from Cuba to Croatia and all points in between.
Tom Logan said:
These medieval barbarian 
s want to become a part of Europe? fk them I say, let them fester in the poisonous religious mire they seem to revel in.
Did I say it already? fk them and all who blindly follow their filthy, perverted superstitious creed.
fs want to become a part of Europe? fk them I say, let them fester in the poisonous religious mire they seem to revel in.Did I say it already? f
k them and all who blindly follow their filthy, perverted superstitious creed.king them would be far too pleasurable, they'd enjoy it.Over 300 people killed in terrorist attacks in Turkey since October 2015, with a declining tourism industry, Erdogan determined to make Turkey more Islamic and both ISIL and Kurdish fighters increasing their attacks within the country i do worry it will become far more dangerous and unstable. The situations in Syria and Iraq means an endless supply of fighters and weapons can be smuggled across the border
Slight correction, the numbers are 500+ deaths at the hands of terrorists since 2015.
That's 500 too many.
To add one more point to the astute observations of is Holiness Reg "Doggers" Erdogan: too much time and effort - and expense - spent on fighting the "FETO" bad guys instead of remaining focussed on IS and the PKK.
When you dismiss 1000's of military officers and enlisted men, 20 000 police, and 50 000 public servants (including those from the national security departments) you drastically weaken both the intelligence gathering and the responses forces. All for the glory of a desperate Islamist seeking to drive trough a new constitution on the basis of "we need more Presidential powers to protect the Turkish people".
That's 500 too many.
To add one more point to the astute observations of is Holiness Reg "Doggers" Erdogan: too much time and effort - and expense - spent on fighting the "FETO" bad guys instead of remaining focussed on IS and the PKK.
When you dismiss 1000's of military officers and enlisted men, 20 000 police, and 50 000 public servants (including those from the national security departments) you drastically weaken both the intelligence gathering and the responses forces. All for the glory of a desperate Islamist seeking to drive trough a new constitution on the basis of "we need more Presidential powers to protect the Turkish people".
Part of Turkey's terrorist problem is entirely Erdogan's fault. They had a ceasefire with the PKK for many years, Erdogan broke it.
The Kurdish scenario, ain't going away, they will not stop untill they get autonomy, they have been looking for such since before WW1 , we British had great problems with them in 1919/20 , when we controlled vast parts of the ME.
The best thing local rulers can do, is give the Kurds autonomy, as did, curiously, Assad, with the end result of no problems, I have a feeling, they will do for Erdogan, in the end. He is one nasty, vile piece of work.
The Kurdish scenario, ain't going away, they will not stop untill they get autonomy, they have been looking for such since before WW1 , we British had great problems with them in 1919/20 , when we controlled vast parts of the ME.
The best thing local rulers can do, is give the Kurds autonomy, as did, curiously, Assad, with the end result of no problems, I have a feeling, they will do for Erdogan, in the end. He is one nasty, vile piece of work.
Hosenbugler said:
Part of Turkey's terrorist problem is entirely Erdogan's fault. They had a ceasefire with the PKK for many years, Erdogan broke it.
The Kurdish scenario, ain't going away, they will not stop untill they get autonomy, they have been looking for such since before WW1 , we British had great problems with them in 1919/20 , when we controlled vast parts of the ME.
The best thing local rulers can do, is give the Kurds autonomy, as did, curiously, Assad, with the end result of no problems, I have a feeling, they will do for Erdogan, in the end. He is one nasty, vile piece of work.
Yes, "Reg" (Erdogan) has really fThe Kurdish scenario, ain't going away, they will not stop untill they get autonomy, they have been looking for such since before WW1 , we British had great problems with them in 1919/20 , when we controlled vast parts of the ME.
The best thing local rulers can do, is give the Kurds autonomy, as did, curiously, Assad, with the end result of no problems, I have a feeling, they will do for Erdogan, in the end. He is one nasty, vile piece of work.
ked that up, he thought he could out-smart the Kurds (and the general Turkish population) before the last Presidential election and it has badly backfired with devastating consequences for everyone living in Turkey these days.Words cannot describe Erdogan accurately - you've made a good start, add to that: odious, complicit, evil.... shall we go on?
I have to say I don't agree with you on Assad and the Kurds, yes he did leave them alone but they are one of the groups fighting to remove him so they are now a big problem, the solution is unfortunately not easy.
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