Tesla Master Plan part deux
Discussion
Jader1973 said:
And where do all these self-driving BEVs charge and park?
Why don't you ask one of the hundreds of companies investing in the tech rather than look for reassurance here?Jader1973 said:
People have grown accustomed to being able to go where they want when they want in their own personal status symbol over the last 70 years. That is not going to change any time soon.
Of course it will. People had grown accustomed to meals on flights and checked in baggage. Now for anything less than a few hours we do all the work ourselves, have bought new luggage to suit, go without a meal or a reclining seat and air travel has never been more popular.The like of Ryanair and Easyjet changed the way we fly in a decade or so. Changed our expectations of where we can go, what service we receive and crucially what we pay.
The same will happen with car transport. The only question is how soon, but it will be quicker than many here would like to think.
technodup said:
Jader1973 said:
And where do all these self-driving BEVs charge and park?
Why don't you ask one of the hundreds of companies investing in the tech rather than look for reassurance here?Jader1973 said:
People have grown accustomed to being able to go where they want when they want in their own personal status symbol over the last 70 years. That is not going to change any time soon.
Of course it will. People had grown accustomed to meals on flights and checked in baggage. Now for anything less than a few hours we do all the work ourselves, have bought new luggage to suit, go without a meal or a reclining seat and air travel has never been more popular.The like of Ryanair and Easyjet changed the way we fly in a decade or so. Changed our expectations of where we can go, what service we receive and crucially what we pay.
The same will happen with car transport. The only question is how soon, but it will be quicker than many here would like to think.
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown, yet they've all got cars! Having a car is arguably the most important thing in your life after having somewhere to live for many people,so messing with their ability to go where they want, when they want may take longer to change that something a relative minority do once a year as a luxury.
You don't live a big city then? Car ownership is lower in built up areas, especially those which already have decent public transport. The only problem with the model is the massive spike in demand for commuters, but if you take the train to work that isn't an issue. davepoth said:
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown, yet they've all got cars! Having a car is arguably the most important thing in your life after having somewhere to live for many people,so messing with their ability to go where they want, when they want may take longer to change that something a relative minority do once a year as a luxury.
You don't live a big city then? Car ownership is lower in built up areas, especially those which already have decent public transport. The only problem with the model is the massive spike in demand for commuters, but if you take the train to work that isn't an issue. I can see the future when it comes to EV infrastructure, it'll be like broadband, they'll be quoting high figures and leaving everyone who lives outside a large town or city in the dark ages for years.
RobDickinson said:
What percentage of drivers do 700kmns a day? What percentage of drivers do you want doing 700kms a day without a 30min break in there? Thats a stop for toilet, coffee and a sandwich. BEV's could be made with that range with huge batteries but almost no one would ever need it. The average daily mileage is tiny, and 300km range covers almost every trip.
And think of how many times you are filling up your car, 5min what once a week? BEV's you almost always recharge at home overnight so you overall will save more time than loose.
Hardly any, but I do occasionally do journeys of that distance - e.g back from the South of France in a day, with the air con on full chat. As soon as an owner is doing any journey of over 300 Km in a day, the 80k Tesla becomes the second car, and a diesel estate is a better option. And think of how many times you are filling up your car, 5min what once a week? BEV's you almost always recharge at home overnight so you overall will save more time than loose.
I think there is more sense in having a cheap Leaf in the fleet for short journeys (which would be quite a lot of them) and an expensive ICE car for long haul.
rxe said:
Hardly any, but I do occasionally do journeys of that distance - e.g back from the South of France in a day, with the air con on full chat. As soon as an owner is doing any journey of over 300 Km in a day, the 80k Tesla becomes the second car, and a diesel estate is a better option.
I think there is more sense in having a cheap Leaf in the fleet for short journeys (which would be quite a lot of them) and an expensive ICE car for long haul.
I plan on doing it the other way round - Tesla model 3 for 95 percent of trips and a cheap ICE estate for long trips, dog walking and taking things down the tip.I think there is more sense in having a cheap Leaf in the fleet for short journeys (which would be quite a lot of them) and an expensive ICE car for long haul.
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown,
If you hang around with people who've never been on a plane it doesn't surprise me you're well behind the curve with the future of road transport.eccles said:
Having a car is arguably the most important thing in your life after having somewhere to live for many people,so messing with their ability to go where they want, when they want may take longer to change that something a relative minority do once a year as a luxury.
Firstly that 'relative minority' is pretty big (250m UK flights/yr), it's no longer a luxury (my previous point) and as for cars, people think they're the most important thing just now. Because like you they can't see the alternatives.It's happening already, gradually. More EV's and charge points, grants and congestion charges. Carrot and stick. Add in autonomous cars, new 'ownership' models, higher fuel taxes, incentives to work from home and reduce journeys, public transport integration and so on and we're looking at a fundamental change in the way we think of personal transport.
Possibly the biggest one will be safety. I can see the ads now, "why risk your child being one of the 10000 who DIE on the roads each year when Google can guarantee their safety".
Businesses and governments change our behaviours all the time. They're very good at it. Normal is only temporary until the new normal takes over. Only question here is how long that is. I can't wait.
technodup said:
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown,
If you hang around with people who've never been on a plane it doesn't surprise me you're well behind the curve with the future of road transport.technodup said:
eccles said:
Having a car is arguably the most important thing in your life after having somewhere to live for many people,so messing with their ability to go where they want, when they want may take longer to change that something a relative minority do once a year as a luxury.
Firstly that 'relative minority' is pretty big (250m UK flights/yr), it's no longer a luxury (my previous point) and as for cars, people think they're the most important thing just now. Because like you they can't see the alternatives.It's happening already, gradually. More EV's and charge points, grants and congestion charges. Carrot and stick. Add in autonomous cars, new 'ownership' models, higher fuel taxes, incentives to work from home and reduce journeys, public transport integration and so on and we're looking at a fundamental change in the way we think of personal transport.
Possibly the biggest one will be safety. I can see the ads now, "why risk your child being one of the 10000 who DIE on the roads each year when Google can guarantee their safety".
Businesses and governments change our behaviours all the time. They're very good at it. Normal is only temporary until the new normal takes over. Only question here is how long that is. I can't wait.
technodup said:
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown,
If you hang around with people who've never been on a plane it doesn't surprise me you're well behind the curve with the future of road transport.eccles said:
Having a car is arguably the most important thing in your life after having somewhere to live for many people,so messing with their ability to go where they want, when they want may take longer to change that something a relative minority do once a year as a luxury.
Firstly that 'relative minority' is pretty big (250m UK flights/yr), it's no longer a luxury (my previous point) and as for cars, people think they're the most important thing just now. Because like you they can't see the alternatives.It's happening already, gradually. More EV's and charge points, grants and congestion charges. Carrot and stick. Add in autonomous cars, new 'ownership' models, higher fuel taxes, incentives to work from home and reduce journeys, public transport integration and so on and we're looking at a fundamental change in the way we think of personal transport.
Possibly the biggest one will be safety. I can see the ads now, "why risk your child being one of the 10000 who DIE on the roads each year when Google can guarantee their safety".
Businesses and governments change our behaviours all the time. They're very good at it. Normal is only temporary until the new normal takes over. Only question here is how long that is. I can't wait.
mybrainhurts said:
Which begs the question...why are you on a performance car forum?
I wonder what proportion of PH own cars that would not be left for dead by a Tesla? That's 0-100 mph in under 8 seconds for the Model X.As for autonomy, whether one personally wants it or not shouldn't have any bearing on whether one thinks it will happen or not - though clearly there are plenty of people who are in denial for that reason.
mybrainhurts said:
technodup said:
eccles said:
I know many people that haven't flown,
If you hang around with people who've never been on a plane it doesn't surprise me you're well behind the curve with the future of road transport.mybrainhurts said:
Which begs the question...why are you on a performance car forum?
Quite the conundrum isn't it? Don't like driving, couldn't give a toss about cars...otolith said:
mybrainhurts said:
Which begs the question...why are you on a performance car forum?
I wonder what proportion of PH own cars that would not be left for dead by a Tesla? That's 0-100 mph in under 8 seconds for the Model X.And how many times can it do that before it runs out of puff?
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