Tesla Master Plan part deux
Discussion
babatunde said:
This argument (and I use that word loosely) is typically wrong, you can't conclude whether or not he will save money based on a supposition (you know an idea or theory that you believe is true even though you do not have proof) that his system won't last 10 years. Bearing in mind that most solar panels come with 20-25 year warranties and Tesla offer a 10 year warranty on their Powerwall units.
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On a slightly related note places like the outback of Australia are an ideal test bed for solar power as network electricity is impractical, transporting fuel is also very expensive and they get plenty of sun. EV's on a ranch actually might make a lot of sense
Given that his payback calculation is based on both the battery and the panels maintaining 100% efficiency for 10 years (which they don't) I'd reckon it is a pretty safe bet that he will either breakeven or get a couple of years of free electricity. He certainly isn't going to be coining it in. I also doubt the 10 year warranty on the Tesla battery is coincidental - they'll have done the maths..
On a slightly related note places like the outback of Australia are an ideal test bed for solar power as network electricity is impractical, transporting fuel is also very expensive and they get plenty of sun. EV's on a ranch actually might make a lot of sense
Slightly related to your comments about the suitability of solar to outback Australia: the states here are winding back solar rebates / funding because they've realised that if everyone takes it up there will be huge excesses of generated electricity and a massive grid to maintain - and the power companies that own the stations and grid are talking about starting to increase prices because of loss of income.
However, they are talking about building a solar power station in South Australia someplace and using batteries the size of 40ft containers to store the power. Funny thing is the environmentalists moan about the impact on the visual landscape. No pleasing some people.
otolith said:
TEKNOPUG said:
otolith said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Very true. But in the countryside, where there are less people, less cars, less traffic and less demand, the benefits of EV are also less.
On the other hand, the more remote your dwelling, the more likely you are to have off street parking for charging your car, and the greater a pain in the arse having to visit petrol stations is.
t you not.
More gigafactory news: http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/07/elon-musk-an...
...and while he's doing that, SpaceX takes aim at delivering payload to Mars by 2018. http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/07/spacex-re...
What a loser eh?
...and while he's doing that, SpaceX takes aim at delivering payload to Mars by 2018. http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/07/spacex-re...
What a loser eh?
FurtiveFreddy said:
Daimler own 10% of Tesla.
ex1 said:
Daimler own 10% of Tesla.
No they dont?1. FMR LLC 16,368,104
2. BAILLIE GIFFORD & CO 11,929,032
3. PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIATES INC /MD/ 7,370,248
4. BANK OF MONTREAL /CAN/ 4,871,570
5. (4.6%) VANGUARD GROUP INC 4,315,910
Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/ownership-summar...
RobDickinson said:
ex1 said:
Daimler own 10% of Tesla.
No they dont?1. FMR LLC 16,368,104
2. BAILLIE GIFFORD & CO 11,929,032
3. PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIATES INC /MD/ 7,370,248
4. BANK OF MONTREAL /CAN/ 4,871,570
5. (4.6%) VANGUARD GROUP INC 4,315,910
Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/ownership-summar...
http://www.ft.com/fastft/2014/10/21/post-224222/
RobDickinson said:
mybrainhurts said:
If you EV fans get your way, causing demand for petrol/diesel to dwindle and price to rise, what happens to the cost of air travel?
Will it become prohibitively expensive to fly?
Why do you think less demand would push up prices??Will it become prohibitively expensive to fly?
In fact, would there be any profit in it at all?
mybrainhurts said:
High cost of producing less of the stuff.
In fact, would there be any profit in it at all?
There is a whole list of products created from crude oil, and many uses (bitumen, plastic, fuel oil, diesel etc etc).In fact, would there be any profit in it at all?
Petrol is expensive to produce because naturally its only a small fraction of the whole, and heavier oils need to be cracked to produce more of it.
Jet fuel is a medium weight oil needing far less processing than petrol.
If we need less crude oil we can use the easier to access sources rather than shale etc.
I cant see it becoming more expensive.
TEKNOPUG said:
otolith said:
TEKNOPUG said:
otolith said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Very true. But in the countryside, where there are less people, less cars, less traffic and less demand, the benefits of EV are also less.
On the other hand, the more remote your dwelling, the more likely you are to have off street parking for charging your car, and the greater a pain in the arse having to visit petrol stations is.FurtiveFreddy said:
Interesting, quite a short range but possibly enough for a days work for local delivery stuff. Will need a few hours to recharge minimum.26 tons locally, which isnt enough for a fully loaded container , shame.
Range = weight = less usable.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Interesting.I read yesterday that MB made some programming changes to a production E Class at an event in the US and switched it over to being fully autonomous. They then said that while they could do it today with the tech they have they wouldn't because they believe the tech needs to be introduced gradually.
I think they are actually way ahead of Tesla with this stuff and they are just being much more conservative with the release because they appreciate the risks.
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