Tesla Master Plan part deux
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It depends where you live and how electricity is generated true.
Where I live its 100% hydro power, so a BEV is massively ahead of any ICE.
In the UK you at least get the benefit of cleaner air where people are trying to breathe, and in general making mass produced power cleaner is easier than millions of cars. And its still more efficient than burning diesel in cars.
The average net energy cost on refining fuel for ICE's is 4-7kwh per gallon. An EV can do 16-20 miles just on the energy you use to refine your ICE fuel. Not including transporting it etc.
As for lithium:
"But most often, lithium is found in briny underground ponds. The liquid is pumped out and left to dry in the sun. The resulting material is made into lithium carbonate and then processed into just lithium. This process accounts for a small part of an electric car's overall environmental impact; the copper and aluminum used in the battery actually do more damage. "
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/vehi...
And the life cycle of a BEV - 'Lithium's the Least of Our Problems'
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/life-cycle-analysis...
Where I live its 100% hydro power, so a BEV is massively ahead of any ICE.
In the UK you at least get the benefit of cleaner air where people are trying to breathe, and in general making mass produced power cleaner is easier than millions of cars. And its still more efficient than burning diesel in cars.
The average net energy cost on refining fuel for ICE's is 4-7kwh per gallon. An EV can do 16-20 miles just on the energy you use to refine your ICE fuel. Not including transporting it etc.
As for lithium:
"But most often, lithium is found in briny underground ponds. The liquid is pumped out and left to dry in the sun. The resulting material is made into lithium carbonate and then processed into just lithium. This process accounts for a small part of an electric car's overall environmental impact; the copper and aluminum used in the battery actually do more damage. "
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/vehi...
And the life cycle of a BEV - 'Lithium's the Least of Our Problems'
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/life-cycle-analysis...
ZX10R NIN said:
Either that or they'll have to build some new Nuclear Power stations on the outskirts of London somewhere
Ultimately the UK is going to need to invest a lot more into nuclear IMO, and in several serious studies. coal and gas will only last so long. Which nuclear is the interesting bit though, fusion or fission...
This is an interesting website, lets you check (for USA) emission form vehicle types depending on the power generation of the state. Dont know how the UK as a whole compares to the US for renewable generation .
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emiss...
For the US as a whole (33% coal, 32% gas, 20%nuclear) - BEV's are about twice as good as gasoline cars.
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emiss...
For the US as a whole (33% coal, 32% gas, 20%nuclear) - BEV's are about twice as good as gasoline cars.
UK tends to vary between 90 and 82% population in urban areas.
The difficult cases like remote rural living will be solved later when the technology has developed more. But even then its going to be easier to charge up at home than go find a petrol station somewhere.
Just reading some news on lithium-oxygen batteries, early stages yet (like many other technologies) but could store twice the power and be a lot lighter than current batteries.
The difficult cases like remote rural living will be solved later when the technology has developed more. But even then its going to be easier to charge up at home than go find a petrol station somewhere.
Just reading some news on lithium-oxygen batteries, early stages yet (like many other technologies) but could store twice the power and be a lot lighter than current batteries.
ex1 said:
Daimler own 10% of Tesla.
No they dont?1. FMR LLC 16,368,104
2. BAILLIE GIFFORD & CO 11,929,032
3. PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIATES INC /MD/ 7,370,248
4. BANK OF MONTREAL /CAN/ 4,871,570
5. (4.6%) VANGUARD GROUP INC 4,315,910
Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/ownership-summar...
mybrainhurts said:
High cost of producing less of the stuff.
In fact, would there be any profit in it at all?
There is a whole list of products created from crude oil, and many uses (bitumen, plastic, fuel oil, diesel etc etc).In fact, would there be any profit in it at all?
Petrol is expensive to produce because naturally its only a small fraction of the whole, and heavier oils need to be cracked to produce more of it.
Jet fuel is a medium weight oil needing far less processing than petrol.
If we need less crude oil we can use the easier to access sources rather than shale etc.
I cant see it becoming more expensive.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Interesting, quite a short range but possibly enough for a days work for local delivery stuff. Will need a few hours to recharge minimum.
26 tons locally, which isnt enough for a fully loaded container , shame.
Range = weight = less usable.
Ford have announced plans to produce a completely (SAE level 4) self driving car within 5 years.
But they will only run them as a ride sharing service, no plans to sell them direct to public.
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/08/ford-to-mass-p...
But they will only run them as a ride sharing service, no plans to sell them direct to public.
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/08/ford-to-mass-p...
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