Tesla Master Plan part deux

[otolith]

Don't want it to work, going to make up reasons why it can't.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Sadly, this thread may serve no other purpose than to allow some of us to re-read it several years from now and make fun of those who got it so very wrong.

[anonymous-user]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Sadly, this thread may serve no other purpose than to allow some of us to re-read it several years from now and make fun of those who got it so very wrong.

Well that's one more purpose than most threads then!

[RobDickinson]

I think there is 3 certainties here.

BEV's will become a significant part of our fleet
Self driving cars are ~5 years away
Autonomous cars for hire will happen shortly after that

I'm not sure if Tesla will be as big a player in that as they hope, but they have a significant lead on battery production and the most active learning fleet out there

[98elise]

RobDickinson said:

I think there is 3 certainties here.

BEV's will become a significant part of our fleet
Self driving cars are ~5 years away
Autonomous cars for hire will happen shortly after that

I'm not sure if Tesla will be as big a player in that as they hope, but they have a significant lead on battery production and the most active learning fleet out there

Tesla don't want to be a big player. They want to push the timelines for EV acceptance. Thats why they have given away all their patents. The future for tesla is probably battery and charging infrastructure, and development of EV/Autonomy tech.

I suspect the car brand will be bought out at some stage.

[RobDickinson]

He's talking about almost exponential manufacturing and fleets of teslas swarming our cities, you think thats not looking for a big impact?

[98elise]

Tonsko said:

SpaceX is really impressive. NASA said reusable spacecraft is a dud, so whilst nothing actually has been reused just yet, it's only a matter of time. Getting an autonomous space rocket to land on a floating platform is pretty great. If he doesn't do it, Bezos will.

Musk has also done more to get EVs taken up than any other manufacturer. All his patents are being open sourced, so that other companies won't have to reinvent the wheel... I don't know why you're so down on him. His objectives are for everyone's benefit, stated that time and time again.

Edited by Tonsko on Thursday 21st July 22:34

I might be missunderstand your post, but why do you say that nothing has been reused, and that he may not be able to get the rocket to land on a floating platform?

SpaceX falcon rockets have been landing sucessfully since the beginning of the year, including on the floating platform. They still have the odd failure but they really seem to have cracked reuseable rockets.

[RobDickinson]

I think he means they have not as yet re-launched one.

Thats going to happen later this year

[mybrainhurts]

RobDickinson said:

mybrainhurts said:

:cough: new battery :cough: $29,000 :cough: at cost :splutter:

Where did you see that?

list price for the 85kw is $45k I think if you just wander in off the street wanting one.

But if you actually own a tesla its:
$12,000 for 85 kWh
$10,000 for 60 kWh
Guaranteed.

How much would BMW charge you for a complete M5 powerplant?

Musky annouced, not so very long ago, that existing owners of his Elise based zizzmobile could buy an uprated battery at cost, as a special favour. That was quoted as $29,000.

Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

[Digga]

fblm said:

loafer123 said:

Except it isn't 35m vehicles because they are shared.

I think not. My cars are either for fun or mobile creches. Call me selfish but I'm not sharing any of em.

^This. There's a reason most of us live in our own places, rather than in a fking kibbutz, and that's the same reason why is I want to drive around in a filthy messy car, I want it to be my own filth and mass, not some other bd's.

[FurtiveFreddy]

fblm said:

Well that's one more purpose than most threads then!

True enough.

[otolith]

mybrainhurts said:

Musky annouced, not so very long ago, that existing owners of his Elise based zizzmobile could buy an uprated battery at cost, as a special favour. That was quoted as $29,000.

Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

"The reason the cost per kWh is higher than a Model S battery is due to the almost entirely hand-built, low-volume (only 2 or 3 per week) nature of Roadster battery packs. It also includes additional work to remove, upgrade, and reinstall the power electronics module (PEM.)"

[FurtiveFreddy]

mybrainhurts said:

Musky annouced, not so very long ago, that existing owners of his Elise based zizzmobile could buy an uprated battery at cost, as a special favour. That was quoted as $29,000.

Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

If the battery pack fails, you get a temporary replacement from Tesla and they repair your existing pack. It's unlikely the whole pack would have to be written off, unlike most high performance engines these days, which can't be repaired to component level by dealers. Ask any Porsche owner who's had an engine failure in their 996, 997 etc.

And a Tesla car comes with an 8 year warranty on the battery pack anyway. How does that measure up to a BMW, Porsche, Ferrari warranty?

[RobDickinson]

otolith said:

mybrainhurts said:

Musky annouced, not so very long ago, that existing owners of his Elise based zizzmobile could buy an uprated battery at cost, as a special favour. That was quoted as $29,000.

Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

"The reason the cost per kWh is higher than a Model S battery is due to the almost entirely hand-built, low-volume (only 2 or 3 per week) nature of Roadster battery packs. It also includes additional work to remove, upgrade, and reinstall the power electronics module (PEM.)"

2500 roadsters produced in total, there are twice as many 599's in the world, not exactly mass production for that

[mybrainhurts]

Ol' Musky has really mastered the art of Taking The Piss....

http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/accessorie...

[AnotherClarkey]

mybrainhurts said:

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

A cursory Google search suggests that quite a lot have gone tits up, to the extent that BMW issued a recall to address potentially catastrophic engine failure.

[mybrainhurts]

AnotherClarkey said:

mybrainhurts said:

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

A cursory Google search suggests that quite a lot have gone tits up, to the extent that BMW issued a recall to address potentially catastrophic engine failure.

Ahaaa, I see...a cunning choice of powerplant for this thread.

[London424]

AnotherClarkey said:

mybrainhurts said:

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

A cursory Google search suggests that quite a lot have gone tits up, to the extent that BMW issued a recall to address potentially catastrophic engine failure.

Yeah but apart from that?!

[FredClogs]

mybrainhurts said:

AnotherClarkey said:

mybrainhurts said:

The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?

A cursory Google search suggests that quite a lot have gone tits up, to the extent that BMW issued a recall to address potentially catastrophic engine failure.

Ahaaa, I see...a cunning choice of powerplant for this thread.

Well as you yourself said, at least you know, to a reasonable accuracy, when the batteries WILL fail, with a combustion engine you're almost always taken by surprise and it's not just high performance engines which can lunch themselves, and not just engines either - gear boxes, diffs, clutches etc... etc...

[RobDickinson]

Pretty sure my brothers 996 is still sat there without an engine too....

The batteries are pretty robust from use, the technology used and recharging is pretty good.

When you get to 8 years (unlimited mileage..) you are guaranteed 70% capacity so thats still near 200 miles on a charge for a p85d.