US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
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dondadda said:
Jimbeaux said:
Thanks. 
I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule.
Tell that to the families of: I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule. John Crawford III
Oscar Grant
Sean Bell
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philando Castile
Ramarley Graham
Walter Scott
Levar Jones
Ezell Ford
Aiyanna Jones
Amadou Diallo
Akai Gurley
Jermaine McBean
Bernard Bailey
Kenneth Chamberlain
http://abc7.com/news/video-police-slam-black-woman...
Latest unnecessary violence exhibited by a US cop with some racist banter thrown in for good measure. The victim didnt even file a complaint. How many instances of this type of behaviour are not on video and how many citizens can just not be bothered to complain? Miniscule?
Edited by dondadda on Friday 22 July 16:47
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering f
k does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
It is interesting to hear a US prospective, but alarming when that prospective explains why the US are in the situation that they're in!Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule. superkartracer said:
Jimbeaux said:
superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too.
The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Thing is Jim.. you lot are happy to let the populous purchase hard-core weapons yet don't trust them to cross the road ( i trust my 7 year old with this simple task ) .
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 22 July 17:25
No officer cares two bits about that around here. I suppose it is more enforced in certain places for whatever reason. AJL308 said:
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
The police over there are all a bit YEEHAAA
scherzkeks said:
Not really. If you compare the numbers with a civilized society, it is all rather quite embarassing.
No other civilized society has even a fraction of the weapons available to our populous. Taking that into account, I submit that those numbers are not as "off" as you portray. Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering f
k does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.White on White Homicides for 2015 82% figures provided by the FBI
Watch this & listen to what the commentator is saying & the tell me there's not a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyQtvv_1i8
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
The police over there are all a bit YEEHAAA
I still think it's most likely that was trying to shoot the other guy but missed and got the wrong bloke.
If not then why din't he manage to shoot him more effectively than just in the leg? he was splayed out on the ground so he could have shot him anywhere. Personally, I think it was because he was a bit of a crap shot and probably stressed to f
k and was trying - rightly or wrongly - the shoot the other guy or possibly trying to fire some sort of gung-ho warning shot? Jimbeaux said:
No other civilized society has even a fraction of the weapons available to our populous. Taking that into account, I submit that those numbers are not as "off" as you portray.
They do though. Many countries have firearms ownership rates around what the US does.The problem is that the US is an endemically violent society, a society in which people have little respect for one another. Look at the school shootings; in basically every case it is the put-upon, down trodden and ostracized kids who end up going postal on the others. They get treated like s
t by the popular kids and end up snapping.It's American culture which is the problem not a few inanimate objects.
I love shooting guns, If I lived somewhere they were allowed I'd have one or two. What I don't understand though is how the 2nd amendment can be interpreted to mean you can carry them around with you on your person or in your glovebox. Come the day the militia is ever needed to overthrow the government, us army, marines, airforce and law enforcement can Cletus and Billy Ray not go back to the gunsafe at home to get their guns?
fblm said:
I love shooting guns, If I lived somewhere they were allowed I'd have one or two. What I don't understand though is how the 2nd amendment can be interpreted to mean you can carry them around with you on your person or in your glovebox. Come the day the militia is ever needed to overthrow the government, us army, marines, airforce and law enforcement can Cletus and Billy Ray not go back to the gunsafe at home to get their guns?
Really? Have you actually read it? It uses the phrase "...Keep and bear arms..."To 'bear' arms you have to have physical possession of said arms.
AJL308 said:
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
The police over there are all a bit YEEHAAA
I still think it's most likely that was trying to shoot the other guy but missed and got the wrong bloke.
If not then why din't he manage to shoot him more effectively than just in the leg? he was splayed out on the ground so he could have shot him anywhere. Personally, I think it was because he was a bit of a crap shot and probably stressed to f
k and was trying - rightly or wrongly - the shoot the other guy or possibly trying to fire some sort of gung-ho warning shot? AJL308 said:
fblm said:
I love shooting guns, If I lived somewhere they were allowed I'd have one or two. What I don't understand though is how the 2nd amendment can be interpreted to mean you can carry them around with you on your person or in your glovebox. Come the day the militia is ever needed to overthrow the government, us army, marines, airforce and law enforcement can Cletus and Billy Ray not go back to the gunsafe at home to get their guns?
Really? Have you actually read it? It uses the phrase "...Keep and bear arms..."To 'bear' arms you have to have physical possession of said arms.
ZX10R NIN said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering f
k does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.White on White Homicides for 2015 82% figures provided by the FBI
Watch this & listen to what the commentator is saying & the tell me there's not a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyQtvv_1i8
AJL308 said:
Jimbeaux said:
No other civilized society has even a fraction of the weapons available to our populous. Taking that into account, I submit that those numbers are not as "off" as you portray.
They do though. Many countries have firearms ownership rates around what the US does.The problem is that the US is an endemically violent society, a society in which people have little respect for one another. Look at the school shootings; in basically every case it is the put-upon, down trodden and ostracized kids who end up going postal on the others. They get treated like s
t by the popular kids and end up snapping.It's American culture which is the problem not a few inanimate objects.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 25th July 12:46
Jimbeaux said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering f
k does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.White on White Homicides for 2015 82% figures provided by the FBI
Watch this & listen to what the commentator is saying & the tell me there's not a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyQtvv_1i8
Police are responsible for 1 in 13 gun deaths, I'm not saying all of these deaths were bad shootings but the Police make up a small percentage of the population yet they're responsible for 1 in 13 gun deaths.
In the first five months of 2015 a total of 385 people were fatally shot by police officers a rate of 2.5 per day this is the highest figure tallied by the Federal Government in a decade.
In 18% of those fatal shootings the people were unarmed (third of those were black one-fourth hispanic one-sixth white)
Of all those fatally shot so far two thirds were minorities
The mentally ill account (this includes all races) for 1/4 of all fatal shooting especially in rural areas
Only three officers faced charges in the first five months.
It's a dangerous job but it's not the most dangerous job infact it doesn't crack the top 10, that honor goes to logging in which you are 11 times more likely to die on the job, sanitation workers die at twice the rate that the police do in the line of duty.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 23 July 12:46
Jimbeaux said:
stitched said:
Jimbeaux said:
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
One is too many; however, using pure percentages to overall interactions, what constitutes "alot"?
I've read of too many people being shot by police for no reason over the past couple of weeks. That's "a lot" to me.You don't have to jump on every thread that mentions the US you know, you aren't their spokesperson and we aren't stupid enough to think it's every American/policeman/woman.
Jim has been posting sensible and well informed posts on here since well before I joined, he has a better perspective on events in the USA than most of us and personally I welcome his input.
What is your stance exactly? Should he refrain from posting on threads which touch on the states as he is biased? Will you refrain from posting on topics you feel strongly about?
Rant over, Jim please carry on as you have been.
Stitched, you've totally missed my point. I don't think you've ever said (I haven't looked, never noticed a post of yours before) that you represent an entire country's viewpoint. I notice that Jim changed it from "a US viewpoint" to a "portion" of the US viewpoint. Have a personal opinion, like I am now, sure - but do not purport to speak for an entire country of 320 million, or even a _portion_ of it. Delusions of grandeur springs to mind.
No passive "take a breath" or "eggshell" digs at the ends of my posts. Grow up Jim.
An Officer thought playing tennis in the rain was illegal and stopped Tomic and Troicki from practising under the threat of arrest. I suspect he knew full they were doing nothing wrong and was just throwing his weight around.
http://allsportsintheworld.com/2016/07/star-world-...
http://allsportsintheworld.com/2016/07/star-world-...
Officer or security guard. Either way that is very low on info. He could have been trespassing for all we know.
Anyway here's a story to get your teeth into wrong house, in so much danger he had time to go back to his car just in case a dog could teleport through a fence. Then realised he'd fked up so ran away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700618/Ok...
Anyway here's a story to get your teeth into wrong house, in so much danger he had time to go back to his car just in case a dog could teleport through a fence. Then realised he'd f
ked up so ran away.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700618/Ok...
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
stitched said:
Jimbeaux said:
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
One is too many; however, using pure percentages to overall interactions, what constitutes "alot"?
I've read of too many people being shot by police for no reason over the past couple of weeks. That's "a lot" to me.You don't have to jump on every thread that mentions the US you know, you aren't their spokesperson and we aren't stupid enough to think it's every American/policeman/woman.
Jim has been posting sensible and well informed posts on here since well before I joined, he has a better perspective on events in the USA than most of us and personally I welcome his input.
What is your stance exactly? Should he refrain from posting on threads which touch on the states as he is biased? Will you refrain from posting on topics you feel strongly about?
Rant over, Jim please carry on as you have been.
Stitched, you've totally missed my point. I don't think you've ever said (I haven't looked, never noticed a post of yours before) that you represent an entire country's viewpoint. I notice that Jim changed it from "a US viewpoint" to a "portion" of the US viewpoint. Have a personal opinion, like I am now, sure - but do not purport to speak for an entire country of 320 million, or even a _portion_ of it. Delusions of grandeur springs to mind.
No passive "take a breath" or "eggshell" digs at the ends of my posts. Grow up Jim.
It read as if you wished to stifle an opinion which differed from yours by being personally offensive.
I don't know Jim, doubt I'll ever meet him but I would submit that living in America, all his life I think, his contribution is likely to be, and has always seemed, well informed.
In order to have a meaningful debate do you not think information should be as full and clear as possible?
I have often disagreed with peoples opinions but never felt the urge to try and shut them out of a debate purely because of where they live.
I generally try not to sink to personal attacks as well (so this is not my normal style) because my mental age exeeds my shoe size.
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Not really. If you compare the numbers with a civilized society, it is all rather quite embarassing.
No other civilized society has even a fraction of the weapons available to our populous. Taking that into account, I submit that those numbers are not as "off" as you portray. Our cops are brutal. Even if you factor killing out. Even routine arrests are often extremely violent, regardless of whether the cops choose to pump the subject full of lead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0f_nFKVoyQ
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