US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[Tango13]

La Liga said:

I've never heard of tyres being shot out on moving vehicles, 'chases', only when they're static using specific rounds to deflate tyres which aren't going to bounce up and hit someone).

There's an interesting if bloody dangerous episode of Mythbusters right there!

A modern low profile tyre is a very small target that has lots or reinforcement in its sidewalls and it has been pumped up to some pretty serious pressures, never mind something like a runflat! I can well believe a bullet bouncing off in a random direction and doing some serious damage.

Maybe enticing the car to run over a bed of nails type device that would deflate the tyres in a safe and controlled way could be the way forward?

[recycled]

Are there any hard of hearing /deaf people in the US , as the cops have been known to pull out firearms for failing to comply to commands. If he is shouting hands up, from behind the individual and there is no line of sight, is there a chance they might get shot? In the back?

[jshell]

recycled said:

Are there any hard of hearing /deaf people in the US , as the cops have been known to pull out firearms for failing to comply to commands. If he is shouting hands up, from behind the individual and there is no line of sight, is there a chance they might get shot? In the back?

Are you thinking of Harry Stanley? Even the UK cops can have their 'moments'.

[recycled]

jshell said:

Are you thinking of Harry Stanley? Even the UK cops can have their 'moments'.

Just had to google him as i hard never heard of him. Sad really

[Bigends]

I remember this one from years back, I think they tried to shoot the minis tyres out
http://home.bt.com/news/world-news/january-14-1983...

Edited by Bigends on Wednesday 3rd August 20:43

[jshell]

Bigends said:

I remember this one from years back, I think they tried to shoot the minis tyres out
http://home.bt.com/news/world-news/january-14-1983...

Through the back window?

[jshell]

recycled said:

jshell said:

Are you thinking of Harry Stanley? Even the UK cops can have their 'moments'.

Just had to google him as i hard never heard of him. Sad really

Very sad case. TBH, I think the Police realised that they were perceived as a little 'trigger happy' and poorly trained and people were dying from it, so they seem to have turned it around recently. They used to shoot each other by mistake too, though...

[Bigends]

jshell said:

Bigends said:

I remember this one from years back, I think they tried to shoot the minis tyres out
http://home.bt.com/news/world-news/january-14-1983...

Through the back window?

No, I recall from a presentation we had at the time theyd tried to shoot the tyres out though theres no mention of this in the articls

[Bigends]

Bigends said:

jshell said:

Bigends said:

I remember this one from years back, I think they tried to shoot the minis tyres out
http://home.bt.com/news/world-news/january-14-1983...

Through the back window?

No, I recall from a presentation we had at the time theyd tried to shoot the tyres out though theres no mention of this in the articls

Found this on another site
14th January 1983 saw Susan Stephens travelling in the back of a hired Mini. Driving was a friend Lester Purdey. In the front passenger seat was film editor Stephen Waldorf. Unknown to them, they were being trailed by a car with armed Police officers inside. Only one knew what Martin looked like. They were stuck in traffic in Pembroke Court, in the Earls Court area of London. One officer approached the car on foot, DC Finch, who claimed the driver seen him, spoke to the passenger, who reached for the back seat. Finch fired two shots into the near side rear tyre, then shot four times at Stephen Waldorf.

[BlackLabel]

recycled said:

Are there any hard of hearing /deaf people in the US , as the cops have been known to pull out firearms for failing to comply to commands. If he is shouting hands up, from behind the individual and there is no line of sight, is there a chance they might get shot? In the back?

It's not exactly as you describe but a deaf motorist was shot last week for failing to comply to verbal instructions.

mail said:

State trooper shoots dead an unarmed deaf father who was trying to communicate via sign language after being pulled over for a speeding violation

Daniel Kevin Harris, 29, was killed just feet from his home in Charlotte
He was stopped for a speeding violation on Interstate 485 on Thursday
Witnesses say trooper shot him 'almost immediately after he exited car'
Police say that when Harris got out of his car, 'an encounter' took place that led to shots being fired
A police report identified Harris as hearing and speech impaired, but did not give further details about his impairments


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3753378/No...
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Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 23 August 22:16

[Turquoise]

^^^ That is a fking disgrace. I hope the cop gets imprisoned.

[Pesty]

Turquoise said:

^^^ That is a fking disgrace. I hope the cop gets imprisoned.

It is but everybody knows not to get out of your car when stopped in the us. Man exits car moves hands to communicate cop already on edge because he's getting out when he should stay put..

Just reading about another strange one earlier. Cop car crashes into bull, cop,shoots it 10 times with an ar15. Farmer comes along they ask him to kill it he gets his riffle walks past the cops.

They know what he's doing he knows what he's doing he walks past the cops all is fine. as he's turning to shoot the bull one cop grabs his arm and pulls him backwards spinning him the other cop with the ar blows him away because he's thinking somethings gone on then the cop who span him draws and shoots too because the other cop was shooting.

Wtf

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 August 22:48

[Turquoise]

Strange? It's rather more than that. It's a farce. Do US cops have to take aptitude tests? They seem absolute fking morons.

[rxe]

Jimbeaux said:

You have a point. However, most will go through life here never seeing gun play of any kind excepting on the news. These events are isolated and generally in small areas. That said, I do note that since it became more legally difficult to discipline one's own child and we became more PC and "touchy feely" the more the killings rose amongst kids. We have always had guns. Kids were given a squirrel rifle at 12 and taught gun rules. Kids would take a new gun to school to show and tell. Nobody tried to kill anyone. Now, that it is illegal to even sketch a gun in school, kids are losing their minds and blasting away. Go figure.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 25th July 12:46

We're straying slightly OT here, but the fact that everyone is potentially armed is certainly one of the issues here. In a typical UK interaction, I would imagine that plod is reasonably safe to assume that the person they are talking to is unarmed and has no means of killing them. Not so in the US. As I learned in the early 90s, getting out of your car in a traffic stop leads to a frightened officer hiding behind his car door pointing a shaky looking gun in your direction.

Farm kids have always been pretty sensible with guns, they're a tool to be used like any other. My son (13) has a UK shot gun cert, and is perfectly safe and well trained. Kids who have not grown up with that training and then get exposed to some fully auto weapon are probably going to end up doing something silly with it.

Edited by rxe on Tuesday 23 August 23:47

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rxe said:

...As I learned in the early 90s, getting out of your car in a traffic stop leads to a frightened officer hiding behind his car door pointing a shaky looking gun in your direction.

I got pulled for speeding in downtown Detroit back in the late 90's (intern at Chrysler). First time I got out, passport and drivers license in hand and was told firmly to get back in. My bad, as the kids say. He never pulled his gun, and he let me off... My colleagues joked he told me to get back in so I didn't get shot by anyone else.

[Pesty]

Turquoise said:

Strange? It's rather more than that. It's a farce. Do US cops have to take aptitude tests? They seem absolute fking morons.

It is. The excuse the cop gave for pulling him was he fears the bullet would go through the bull and be dangerous to people down the road

The guy who shot first said he just saw the man turn with the gun and next thing he heard where his own gun going bang..

The other cop saw the other cop shooting and joined in.

Something like that. Read it this morning. No charges to either of them.

[BlackLabel]

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And they both were wearing body-cams which were conveniently switched off.

[Turquoise]

Pesty said:

Turquoise said:

Strange? It's rather more than that. It's a farce. Do US cops have to take aptitude tests? They seem absolute fking morons.

It is. The excuse the cop gave for pulling him was he fears the bullet would go through the bull and be dangerous to people down the road

The guy who shot first said he just saw the man turn with the gun and next thing he heard where his own gun going bang..

The other cop saw the other cop shooting and joined in.

Something like that. Read it this morning. No charges to either of them.

But shooting the bull with an AR-15 isn't dangerous?

No charges? Really? My god. If I was the farmers family I would persue this until justice was done.

They make the Keystone Cops look like the SAS.

[SystemParanoia]

Turquoise said:

Pesty said:

Turquoise said:

Strange? It's rather more than that. It's a farce. Do US cops have to take aptitude tests? They seem absolute fking morons.

It is. The excuse the cop gave for pulling him was he fears the bullet would go through the bull and be dangerous to people down the road

The guy who shot first said he just saw the man turn with the gun and next thing he heard where his own gun going bang..

The other cop saw the other cop shooting and joined in.

Something like that. Read it this morning. No charges to either of them.

But shooting the bull with an AR-15 isn't dangerous?

No charges? Really? My god. If I was the farmers family I would persue this until justice was done.

They make the Keystone Cops look like the SAS.

link ?

[Pesty]

Idaho Attorney General's Office has released hundreds of new documents and records related to the officer-involved shooting that left rancher Jack Yantis dead.


The new documents were not ready for release last month because

Link says not charged


Oh by the way car camera was off and so was both body cameras which both cops were wearing.

http://kboi2.com/news/local/new-documents-released...


Details here


Snip


He just turned to me and pulled up and fired from the hip," Roland explained in his interview with ISP. "I don't know if [my pistol] was here or just leaving the holster. It was almost simultaneous."

Wood writes in his Facebook post: "The next shot I heard was from my own rifle".

"My belief at the time was that was Mr. Yantis' rifle, because that's the motion I had just seen. The gun came up and I heard a shot. So I started firing into Mr. Yantis really as fast as I could," Wood said in his interview.

But Jack's wife, Donna Yantis, says it didn't happen like that. In a video taken moments after the shooting while Donna was being transported to the hospital, she says this is what she saw after handing her husband his rifle:

"Jack went down to shoot the bull because they called and when he was loading his rifle to shoot the bull, the cop come up and grabbed his arm and jerked him backwards and then they shot him," Donna Yantis said in the ambulance. "They just shot him for no reason."


http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/adams-co-deputy-det...

Extracts from official reports

http://www.ag.idaho.gov/adamsCountyShooting/index....

Eye witness reports spoilers for swearing take a look at this.












Rise Gail Smith, an EMT from Council, gathered the two deputies into an ambulance, where she witnessed the two of them immediately starting to collaborate on their shared story of the incident.

“I know we are not supposed to talk about this,” Wood told Roland, as Smith – who is familiar with investigative protocol – advised him “not to go too far.” “I just wanted to know if you saw the rifle.”

oh and one of the cops had already been fired from another force for using excessive force.

Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 24th August 22:58