US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[Jimbeaux]

rxtx said:

Jimbeaux said:

One is too many; however, using pure percentages to overall interactions, what constitutes "alot"?

I've read of too many people being shot by police for no reason over the past couple of weeks. That's "a lot" to me.

You don't have to jump on every thread that mentions the US you know, you aren't their spokesperson and we aren't stupid enough to think it's every American/policeman/woman.

Well, seeing as you guys seem to obsess on US events so often, I thought it would be nice for you to have US perspective.

[rxtx]

Jimbeaux said:

Well, seeing as you guys seem to obsess on US events so often, I thought it would be nice for you to have US perspective.

We're just commenting on the news. Go have a look at how we all "obsessed" over Jean Charles de Menezes.

Every time there's something US-based posted here you're all over it, defending something. What a ridiculous post.

[Astacus]

I don't see your point. Jim has been a respected poster on here for a long time. I find his perspective informative and articulate and I like reading what he has to say on US issues. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be listening to the point of view of an American, on US affairs?

[MikeGTi]

4x4Tyke said:

UK Forces cannot, usually, use lethal force to protect property. That would appear to be ROE from another nation.

[Astacus]

I don't see your point. Jim has been a respected poster on here for a long time. I find his perspective informative and articulate and I like reading what he has to say on US issues. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be listening to the point of view of an American, on US affairs?

[rxtx]

Astacus said:

I don't see your point. Jim has been a respected poster on here for a long time. I find his perspective informative and articulate and I like reading what he has to say on US issues. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be listening to the point of view of an American, on US affairs?

I'm suggesting that his suggestion that the US viewpoint is that it's "only a small percentage" of bad apples means what exactly, that it doesn't matter? There isn't a problem? Nothing needs to be done? I don't see his point in the slightest. Who cares if it's from a respected poster or not? I couldn't care less, I take things at face value.

There's also the accusation that we "obsess" over US events, when from what I can see, most of the stuff in NP&E is about UK news, politics and economics. It's a ridiculous post.

[Jim the Sunderer]

fblm said:

Leaving aside the obvious question of WTF? The cop really fired 3 shots with a rifle at a stationary target and hit him once in the leg? How far away was he?

[Pesty]

Or rifle on three round burst with negligent discharge.

[4x4Tyke]

MikeGTi said:

4x4Tyke said:

UK Forces cannot, usually, use lethal force to protect property. That would appear to be ROE from another nation.

Read it again, it doesn't say that and actually about preventing weapons falling into republican hands.

That is part of the famous British Army Yellow card used by our troops operating in Northern Ireland.

There were actually several versions, but the "last resort" clause means it one of the last versions.

You can turn up many earlier examples by searching for "British Army Yellow Card"

[AJL308]

REALIST123 said:

R8Steve said:

It must take a special amount of effort to fire a shotgun at someone at close range and miss twice (possibly three times if the carer wasn't even the intended target).

I've read it and watched the video several times now and i just can't work out why they would feel the need to shoot anyone in this instance. It makes zero sense.

Practice?

Didn't the article say they had rifles, not shotguns?

[4x4Tyke]

Jimbeaux said:

Well, seeing as you guys seem to obsess on US events so often, I thought it would be nice for you to have US perspective.

Well US corporations like to shove their 'product' down our throats, especially when it is so easily consumed like 'media' in the same language.

The reality is we do regard the US as like us; which is why this stuff surprises and shocks us. It is discordant, incongruous; we really just don't get it, which makes it worth of discussion as we try to make sense of it.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Friday 22 July 00:10

[AJL308]

MikeGTi said:

UK Forces cannot, usually, use lethal force to protect property. That would appear to be ROE from another nation.

Especially as it uses US spelling in it.

[AJL308]

Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.

His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.

[J4CKO]

I am beginning to wonder whether the Police Academy films were actually fly on the wall documentaries.

[Jimbeaux]

4x4Tyke said:

Jimbeaux said:

Well, seeing as you guys seem to obsess on US events so often, I thought it would be nice for you to have US perspective.

Well US corporations like to shove their 'product' down our throats, especially when it is so easily consumed like 'media' in the same language.

The reality is we do regard the US as like us; which is why this stuff surprises and shocks us. It is discordant, incongruous; we really just don't get it, which makes it worth of discussion as we try to make sense of it.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Friday 22 July 00:10

I understand your statement and think it very reasonable; does that mean that a US-based perspective is unwanted, especially if you are "trying to understand what is going on"?

[ZX10R NIN]

Having been to America on numerous occasions with family living over there, I have found the police to be combative & openly prejudiced but that changes when they hear my English accent I've then been treated like a normal human being.

It's not just the shootings that are the problem it's the treatment & manner in which they do their job, may I add that not all police are the same but the majority I've come across have been overly aggressive especially if you question them as to why you're being stopped.

To add perspective I've suffered worse abuse of power by Met police than I have when in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0WSUtsVWU

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 22 July 00:50

[Jimbeaux]

rxtx said:

Astacus said:

I don't see your point. Jim has been a respected poster on here for a long time. I find his perspective informative and articulate and I like reading what he has to say on US issues. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't be listening to the point of view of an American, on US affairs?

I'm suggesting that his suggestion that the US viewpoint is that it's "only a small percentage" of bad apples means what exactly, that it doesn't matter? There isn't a problem? Nothing needs to be done? I don't see his point in the slightest. Who cares if it's from a respected poster or not? I couldn't care less, I take things at face value.

There's also the accusation that we "obsess" over US events, when from what I can see, most of the stuff in NP&E is about UK news, politics and economics. It's a ridiculous post.

Thanks Astacus. rxtx, please note that I began by stating that one is too many. That said, I tried to bring relative perspective to the number of daily interactions by police compared to shootings. They are minuscule by percentage. It was in no way saying it was "OK", just a perspective. Take a breath.

[Jimbeaux]

ZX10R NIN said:

Having been to America on numerous occasions with family living over there, I have found the police to be combative & openly prejudiced but that changes when they hear my English accent I've then been treated like a normal human being.

It's not just the shootings that are the problem it's the treatment & manner in which they do their job, may I add that not all police are the same but the majority I've come across have been overly aggressive especially if you question them as to why you're being stopped.

To add perspective I've suffered worse abuse of power by Met police than I have when in the USA.

Excuse my not understanding, but what is Met police? London metropolitan?

[jjlynn27]

AJL308 said:

Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.

His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.

If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.

Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.

[Glasgowrob]

you honestly have to wonder what the heck is wrong with America?

do they round up the village idiots stick them in a uniform and hand them a badge and a gun? you know I look at the posts in here the comments about police academy and my own thoughts about the Police officer out of south park and I wonder just how accurate a picture they paint.
give me our fantastic coppers any day of the week.


I mean seriously this incident is indefensible. you either shoot an unarmed man with his hands up, or you fire 3 shots at another target with a rifle miss twice and hit an innocent bystander who you then cuff and don't allow to be treated for 20 minutes.


I'm sure theres a comedy show in this somewhere