US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

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scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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jdw100 said:
Jay walking.

In only one of those situations that might have been the issue.

The others were literally for walking.

My point through wasn't that I was stopped for it, more the over reaction and anger of the Policemen.

I guess to put it another way.....lets say you were a visitor to the UK and did something a bit out of the norm but not illegal; how about sitting on the pavement (for example). I would hope that the British Policeman would not find it necessary to loudhaill at you in an aggressive manner then once he has established you are a visitor berate you at length for not having ID or for doing something that is not illegal.

I imagine in the UK it would be more likely to proceed along the lines of......hello sir/mate are you alright sat there on the pavement?

Yes officer I am visiting from another country where this is normal,if you are tired. I'm clearly a respectable and non-threatening chap.

Oh ok then - as long as you are sure you are alright...bye.

I'm sure that not all USA police are shouty. I can only comment on my experience so just anecdotal stuff.
If he stopped you for jaywalking, he was stopping you to harass you or he suspected you of something.

No one gets stopped for jaywalking for actually jaywalking.

jdw100

4,067 posts

163 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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scherzkeks said:
If he stopped you for jaywalking, he was stopping you to harass you or he suspected you of something.

No one gets stopped for jaywalking for actually jaywalking.
Oh, I didn't know that.

It was 10:00 on a Sunday morning near the beach in LA.

I was heading to a sushi place.

It was very, very quiet.

He really was very upset I didn't have any ID. Then confused I lived in Wales (maybe he thought I was like Jonah?) .

He did mention jay walking then got the hump when I said I've seen like 2 cars in the last 20 minutes, I'm an adult and can judge when to cross the road. I wasn't be sarky!

Maybe I've just got a face that American Police don't like? Didn't shoot me in it, so that's good.

Lucas CAV

3,021 posts

218 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.

Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
I was shouted at by a lady in Germany for crossing while the red man was lit. My German's not good but I understood enough - I was setting a bad example to her child, apparently!

It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too. boxedin
Maybe we're simply a bit smarter in the UK ? , makes you wonder..

The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Me too

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
Thanks Astacus. rxtx, please note that I began by stating that one is too many. That said, I tried to bring relative perspective to the number of daily interactions by police compared to shootings. They are minuscule by percentage. It was in no way saying it was "OK", just a perspective. Take a breath.
One is too many, yes, and that's more than enough. Whether that percentage is tiny is irrelevant.

With respect, you do not speak for the US, nor do you represent the US viewpoint.
Please explain how I do not represent or speak for at least a portion of the US viewpoint. As having been a Soldier, public servant, and private sector employee, I consider myself well rounded in perspective.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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rscott said:
The police are now claiming they shot the wrong person by accident - there were indeed attempting to shoot the truck wielder, despite the statements that he didn't have a gun.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...

(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
This one is a damn fool and needs to go up the river for sure.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Guybrush said:
Does anyone know what are the entrance requirements for the American police. I am beginning to think some of them are of very low intelligence.
Poice in the states are generally of three types:

There are State Troopers, each state has this.

Sheriff's Dept. which is county-wide (Louisiana has "Parishes", same thing).

City or local police.

All police have to attend an academy and other certifications and education is required. However, not all are equal. The standards vary by jurisdiction, funds available for training or pay, candidates in a jurisdiction to choose from, etc. While there are some national requirements, there really is no "national standard" as policing is a state and local thing. Therefore, one's police interaction experience may differ vastly from place to place.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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stitched said:
Jimbeaux said:
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
One is too many; however, using pure percentages to overall interactions, what constitutes "alot"?
I've read of too many people being shot by police for no reason over the past couple of weeks. That's "a lot" to me.

You don't have to jump on every thread that mentions the US you know, you aren't their spokesperson and we aren't stupid enough to think it's every American/policeman/woman.
Well, seeing as you guys seem to obsess on US events so often, I thought it would be nice for you to have US perspective.
I'm sorry but this is well out of order, does the fact I comment on threads regarding th UK mean that I am attempting to be a UK ambassador?
Jim has been posting sensible and well informed posts on here since well before I joined, he has a better perspective on events in the USA than most of us and personally I welcome his input.
What is your stance exactly? Should he refrain from posting on threads which touch on the states as he is biased? Will you refrain from posting on topics you feel strongly about?
Rant over, Jim please carry on as you have been.
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Thank you sir. I will endeavor to contribute while stepping lightly in the egg shell patch. thumbup

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.

As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.

With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.


Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
"Just a thought" I don't think you can see it, but you and your thought process are pretty much the problem.

What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
I disagree but that is part of what makes the world go around. smile

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.

Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
I was shouted at by a lady in Germany for crossing while the red man was lit. My German's not good but I understood enough - I was setting a bad example to her child, apparently!

It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too. boxedin
Maybe we're simply a bit smarter in the UK ? , makes you wonder..

The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Did you miss the J Walking post about Germany? I suppose so.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.

As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.

With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.


Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
"Just a thought" I don't think you can see it, but you and your thought process are pretty much the problem.

What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
I disagree but that is part of what makes the world go around. smile
Reading back my post was quite a bit... provocative hehe It is interesting to hear a US prospective, but alarming when that prospective explains why the US are in the situation that they're in!

Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.

As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.

With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.


Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
"Just a thought" I don't think you can see it, but you and your thought process are pretty much the problem.

What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
I disagree but that is part of what makes the world go around. smile
Reading back my post was quite a bit... provocative hehe It is interesting to hear a US prospective, but alarming when that prospective explains why the US are in the situation that they're in!

Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
Thanks. smile I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule.

dondadda

63 posts

92 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Jimbeaux said:
Thanks. smile I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule.
Tell that to the families of:

John Crawford III
Oscar Grant
Sean Bell
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philando Castile
Ramarley Graham
Walter Scott
Levar Jones
Ezell Ford
Aiyanna Jones
Amadou Diallo
Akai Gurley
Jermaine McBean
Bernard Bailey
Kenneth Chamberlain


http://abc7.com/news/video-police-slam-black-woman...

Latest unnecessary violence exhibited by a US cop with some racist banter thrown in for good measure. The victim didnt even file a complaint. How many instances of this type of behaviour are not on video and how many citizens can just not be bothered to complain? Miniscule?


Edited by dondadda on Friday 22 July 16:47

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.

As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.

With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.


Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
"Just a thought" I don't think you can see it, but you and your thought process are pretty much the problem.

What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
I disagree but that is part of what makes the world go around. smile
Reading back my post was quite a bit... provocative hehe It is interesting to hear a US prospective, but alarming when that prospective explains why the US are in the situation that they're in!

Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
Thanks. smile I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule.
They aren't though, I'm in England and I've seen three videos from the past couple of weeks alone!

A Police officer should only shoot a civilian as a last resort, they appear to be trained to shoot for very trivial indiscretions that could very easy be dealt with in a non lethal way. Frighteningly their superiors not only seem to be ok with this behaviour, they encourage it.

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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superkartracer

Original Poster:

8,959 posts

221 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Jimbeaux said:
superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.

Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
I was shouted at by a lady in Germany for crossing while the red man was lit. My German's not good but I understood enough - I was setting a bad example to her child, apparently!

It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too. boxedin
Maybe we're simply a bit smarter in the UK ? , makes you wonder..

The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Did you miss the J Walking post about Germany? I suppose so.
Yeah but .. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-f...

Thing is Jim.. you lot are happy to let the populous purchase hard-core weapons yet don't trust them to cross the road ( i trust my 7 year old with this simple task ) .

Edited by superkartracer on Friday 22 July 17:25

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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jdw100 said:
Guybrush said:
Does anyone know what are the entrance requirements for the American police. I am beginning to think some of them are of very low intelligence.
Be a United States citizen (waived in certain agencies if the applicant is a lawful resident).
Must have a high school diploma or a GED and if necessary a college degree or served in the United States military without a dishonorable discharge;
Be in good medical, physical, and psychological condition;
Maintain a clean criminal record without either serious or repeated misdemeanor or any felony convictions;
Must have a valid driver's license with a clean driving record and that is not currently or has a history of being suspended or revoked;
Be of high moral character;
Not have a history of prior narcotic or repeated marijuana use or alcoholism;
Not have a history of ethical, professional, prior employment, motor vehicle, educational, or financial improprieties;
Not have a history of domestic violence or mental illness;
Not to pose a safety and security risk;
Be legally eligible to own and carry a firearm.
My daughter's agency require a bachelors degree (preferably in criminal justice).

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.

His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.

If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.

Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
You, Sir, are an idiot.

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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rscott said:
The police are now claiming they shot the wrong person by accident - there were indeed attempting to shoot the truck wielder, despite the statements that he didn't have a gun.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...

(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
So, despite the idiot I just replied to - I was right.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.

His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.

If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.

Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
You, Sir, are an idiot.
Unusually I'm with jj. The care worker clearly explained the situation, there was absolutely no justification for shooting.

The copper shot the black bloke just in case...

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.

His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.

If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.

Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
You, Sir, are an idiot.
Unusually I'm with jj. The care worker clearly explained the situation, there was absolutely no justification for shooting.

The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
I don't think so - although I may be wrong - I think he was trying to shoot to guy with the toy truck and got the other guy by mistake.