US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
Discussion
jdw100 said:
Jay walking.
In only one of those situations that might have been the issue.
The others were literally for walking.
My point through wasn't that I was stopped for it, more the over reaction and anger of the Policemen.
I guess to put it another way.....lets say you were a visitor to the UK and did something a bit out of the norm but not illegal; how about sitting on the pavement (for example). I would hope that the British Policeman would not find it necessary to loudhaill at you in an aggressive manner then once he has established you are a visitor berate you at length for not having ID or for doing something that is not illegal.
I imagine in the UK it would be more likely to proceed along the lines of......hello sir/mate are you alright sat there on the pavement?
Yes officer I am visiting from another country where this is normal,if you are tired. I'm clearly a respectable and non-threatening chap.
Oh ok then - as long as you are sure you are alright...bye.
I'm sure that not all USA police are shouty. I can only comment on my experience so just anecdotal stuff.
If he stopped you for jaywalking, he was stopping you to harass you or he suspected you of something. In only one of those situations that might have been the issue.
The others were literally for walking.
My point through wasn't that I was stopped for it, more the over reaction and anger of the Policemen.
I guess to put it another way.....lets say you were a visitor to the UK and did something a bit out of the norm but not illegal; how about sitting on the pavement (for example). I would hope that the British Policeman would not find it necessary to loudhaill at you in an aggressive manner then once he has established you are a visitor berate you at length for not having ID or for doing something that is not illegal.
I imagine in the UK it would be more likely to proceed along the lines of......hello sir/mate are you alright sat there on the pavement?
Yes officer I am visiting from another country where this is normal,if you are tired. I'm clearly a respectable and non-threatening chap.
Oh ok then - as long as you are sure you are alright...bye.
I'm sure that not all USA police are shouty. I can only comment on my experience so just anecdotal stuff.
No one gets stopped for jaywalking for actually jaywalking.
scherzkeks said:
If he stopped you for jaywalking, he was stopping you to harass you or he suspected you of something.
No one gets stopped for jaywalking for actually jaywalking.
Oh, I didn't know that.No one gets stopped for jaywalking for actually jaywalking.
It was 10:00 on a Sunday morning near the beach in LA.
I was heading to a sushi place.
It was very, very quiet.
He really was very upset I didn't have any ID. Then confused I lived in Wales (maybe he thought I was like Jonah?) .
He did mention jay walking then got the hump when I said I've seen like 2 cars in the last 20 minutes, I'm an adult and can judge when to cross the road. I wasn't be sarky!
Maybe I've just got a face that American Police don't like? Didn't shoot me in it, so that's good.
superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too.
The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
Thanks Astacus. rxtx, please note that I began by stating that one is too many. That said, I tried to bring relative perspective to the number of daily interactions by police compared to shootings. They are minuscule by percentage. It was in no way saying it was "OK", just a perspective. Take a breath.
One is too many, yes, and that's more than enough. Whether that percentage is tiny is irrelevant.With respect, you do not speak for the US, nor do you represent the US viewpoint.
rscott said:
The police are now claiming they shot the wrong person by accident - there were indeed attempting to shoot the truck wielder, despite the statements that he didn't have a gun.
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...
(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
This one is a damn fool and needs to go up the river for sure.https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...
(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
Guybrush said:
Does anyone know what are the entrance requirements for the American police. I am beginning to think some of them are of very low intelligence.
Poice in the states are generally of three types:There are State Troopers, each state has this.
Sheriff's Dept. which is county-wide (Louisiana has "Parishes", same thing).
City or local police.
All police have to attend an academy and other certifications and education is required. However, not all are equal. The standards vary by jurisdiction, funds available for training or pay, candidates in a jurisdiction to choose from, etc. While there are some national requirements, there really is no "national standard" as policing is a state and local thing. Therefore, one's police interaction experience may differ vastly from place to place.
stitched said:
Jimbeaux said:
rxtx said:
Jimbeaux said:
One is too many; however, using pure percentages to overall interactions, what constitutes "alot"?
I've read of too many people being shot by police for no reason over the past couple of weeks. That's "a lot" to me.You don't have to jump on every thread that mentions the US you know, you aren't their spokesperson and we aren't stupid enough to think it's every American/policeman/woman.
Jim has been posting sensible and well informed posts on here since well before I joined, he has a better perspective on events in the USA than most of us and personally I welcome his input.
What is your stance exactly? Should he refrain from posting on threads which touch on the states as he is biased? Will you refrain from posting on topics you feel strongly about?
Rant over, Jim please carry on as you have been.
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too.
The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
Jimbeaux said:
Thanks. I do not feel that police are "shooting people constantly". It seems so due to the media but I remind you of the hundreds of thousands of police interactions daily (with an armed public) vs. number of shootings, they are miniscule.
Tell that to the families of:John Crawford III
Oscar Grant
Sean Bell
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philando Castile
Ramarley Graham
Walter Scott
Levar Jones
Ezell Ford
Aiyanna Jones
Amadou Diallo
Akai Gurley
Jermaine McBean
Bernard Bailey
Kenneth Chamberlain
http://abc7.com/news/video-police-slam-black-woman...
Latest unnecessary violence exhibited by a US cop with some racist banter thrown in for good measure. The victim didnt even file a complaint. How many instances of this type of behaviour are not on video and how many citizens can just not be bothered to complain? Miniscule?
Edited by dondadda on Friday 22 July 16:47
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
StottyEvo said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.
This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.
With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52
What the shuddering fk does black citizens killing other black citizens have to do with this event? Absolutely nothing, what a ridiculous post.
Genuinely, if your thought process reflects that of other educated US citizens, then it is absolutely clear why the Police shoot citizens constantly.
A Police officer should only shoot a civilian as a last resort, they appear to be trained to shoot for very trivial indiscretions that could very easy be dealt with in a non lethal way. Frighteningly their superiors not only seem to be ok with this behaviour, they encourage it.
One officer charged with murder https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/22/at...
Jimbeaux said:
superkartracer said:
R E S T E C P said:
Pesty said:
Lucas CAV said:
Forgive my ignorance but why can you not cross a road in the USA?
J walking.Many European countries have the same thing, ever noticed you are the only one crossing in Europe? I've been told off on the mainland. Can't remember which country possibly Austria or Germany,
It was a small and absolutely silent, empty road in a small quiet village, you would see/hear a car from miles away and we were standing there for no reason whatsoever.
To be fair - I do agree with her and I felt guilty. Her 4 year old can't evaluate safety, he sees adults crossing on red so he will too.
The whole Jaywalk comedy is new to me , the land of the mong just dropped another IQ point or two/2/to/too//tooo
Thing is Jim.. you lot are happy to let the populous purchase hard-core weapons yet don't trust them to cross the road ( i trust my 7 year old with this simple task ) .
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 22 July 17:25
jdw100 said:
Guybrush said:
Does anyone know what are the entrance requirements for the American police. I am beginning to think some of them are of very low intelligence.
Be a United States citizen (waived in certain agencies if the applicant is a lawful resident).Must have a high school diploma or a GED and if necessary a college degree or served in the United States military without a dishonorable discharge;
Be in good medical, physical, and psychological condition;
Maintain a clean criminal record without either serious or repeated misdemeanor or any felony convictions;
Must have a valid driver's license with a clean driving record and that is not currently or has a history of being suspended or revoked;
Be of high moral character;
Not have a history of prior narcotic or repeated marijuana use or alcoholism;
Not have a history of ethical, professional, prior employment, motor vehicle, educational, or financial improprieties;
Not have a history of domestic violence or mental illness;
Not to pose a safety and security risk;
Be legally eligible to own and carry a firearm.
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
rscott said:
The police are now claiming they shot the wrong person by accident - there were indeed attempting to shoot the truck wielder, despite the statements that he didn't have a gun.
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...
(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
So, despite the idiot I just replied to - I was right.https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/21/nort...
(Yes, that site does have a political agenda, but the video of the press conference backs up their article)
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
WinstonWolf said:
AJL308 said:
jjlynn27 said:
AJL308 said:
Having watched the video it doesn't seem entirely implausible that the cop may have been justified in shooting given the behavior of the guy playing with the toy truck. He may have reasonably believed that it was a gun and that he was about to use it.
His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
If you weren't gun touting nutjob (sorry, but it is true), you'd understand how ridiculous your post is.His statement, if true, of "I don't know" when asked why he shot was careless. He was probably in a state of shock though. Everything I have read about what you say when you have just justifiably shot someone is: "This person was endangering my/my colleagues/an innocent persons life. I want a lawyer". Then you say nothing more until said lawyer arrives. You'd think that that would be the first lecture of day one at police school.
Bold part is an opening line for every conspiracy theorist.
The copper shot the black bloke just in case...
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