US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[bridgdav]

NC is a CCW state, where upon any police search, the first and very clear thing you should do is notify the police of a weapon. Either on your person or within the vehicle.

Failure to do so is an offense I believe.

From Internet
Tip #2: Advise the Officer

Our recommendation has always been the same, regardless of your state laws. Let the officer know that you have a firearm on your person. By doing this, you are being up front with them and this tends to portray you in a positive light. Obviously the reaction will vary from officer to officer, but our research shows that the majority of them are very welcoming of this information. The following phrase is commonly recommended “Officer, I want to let you know that I have a concealed carry permit in this state and am currently have one on my person. How would you like me to proceed?” Notice we said ‘have one on my person’. This is very important, as the last thing you want is another officer coming up on the other side of your vehicle and the first thing he hears is GUN. Additionally, asking the officer how he would like you to proceed offers them comfort and control over the situation.


Personally I don't read any of that as, stay in the vehicle, get your wife to video you whilst screaming out loud..
Not doing as the officer tells you is a sure fire way of setting them on a high alert of trouble ensuing.

Edited by bridgdav on Sunday 25th September 02:58

[babatunde]

dazwalsh said:

rscott said:

Dash cam and one body cam video released here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/here... .

I don't see any weapon being raised toward an officer? Why wasn't a Taser used in this situation?

I agree, but you also don't see any form of compliance with police orders, which only puts the officers on edge,

When I see these videos there is an overriding theme of police officers screaming for them to put their hands up or to get down on the ground etc and those orders not being followed. Im not saying they should be shot for that but any sudden movement during these twitchy situations and your life rests in the split second decision of an officer with a gun. Rightly or wrongly shots are going to get fired.

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

[Elroy Blue]

This needs posting again.

https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/7790454786...

Walking backwards, walkingtowards the car, can have tragic consequences for all.

With 'protesters' openly calling for the murder of Police Officers, it's no wonder they approach incidents with such caution.

However. This incidents are not the 'norm'. Millions of interactions with the Police happen every year, with absolutely no drama.

[jogger1976]

Elroy Blue said:

This needs posting again.

https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/7790454786...

Walking backwards, walkingtowards the car, can have tragic consequences for all.

With 'protesters' openly calling for the murder of Police Officers, it's no wonder they approach incidents with such caution.

However. This incidents are not the 'norm'. Millions of interactions with the Police happen every year, with absolutely no drama.

An extremely powerful film ,no doubt. Will it change anything? I doubt it.

The US is in meltdown at the moment and is probably more divided and dysfunctional than at any time since the Civil Rights Era of the 1960's. There is far too much self interest, corruption and hatred on both sides for anything meaningful to be done any time soon.

And if you think it's bad now,God help everyone if Trump becomes President

Sad times.

[rscott]

Elroy Blue said:

This needs posting again.

https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/7790454786...

Walking backwards, walkingtowards the car, can have tragic consequences for all.

With 'protesters' openly calling for the murder of Police Officers, it's no wonder they approach incidents with such caution.

However. This incidents are not the 'norm'. Millions of interactions with the Police happen every year, with absolutely no drama.

There's definitely some protestors out to push their own agenda and not calm the situation.

But too many interactions result in a dead civilian. There's something very wrong when police procedures appear to mean 'handcuff the person you've just shot and don't call a paramedic'. That's happened in several recent cases.

There's also no doubt that in many of the cases, the victim doesn't cooperate, resulting in nervous officers and a tense situation which escalates to a fatal one when it didn't need to if the civilian did as they had been asked.
However I can also see the other side that too many innocent people have been shot, even when co-operating, which makes others mistrust police, causing them to cooperate less.

[Pesty]

Served 7 years for shooting somebody pretty sure that would stop you from being able to buy and carry a gun.

http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/report-man-s...

[98elise]

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

It seems like he was armed and not compliant. Thats going to get you shot in the US regardless of his colour.

Unless you or your kids are planning to do the same then you have very little to fear.

[Muntu]

[babatunde]

98elise said:

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

It seems like he was armed and not compliant. Thats going to get you shot in the US regardless of his colour.

Unless you or your kids are planning to do the same then you have very little to fear.

Since you obviously have some extra eyes that can see the gun that isn't in the video, there is no point refuting any of your statements

[Gandahar]

It's easier to correct a mistake with a truncheon than a gun.

Anyone got the stats for 2016 so far for

Number of UK police killed with guns and number of UK citizens killed with guns by the police
Number of US police killed with guns and number of US citizens killed with guns by the police

multiply the UK number by 5x of course to give the weighted average on population difference.

I bet which number would be far higher.

[SystemParanoia]

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

thats how I feel too

[AntiLagGC8]

Gandahar said:

It's easier to correct a mistake with a truncheon than a gun.

Anyone got the stats for 2016 so far for

Number of UK police killed with guns and number of UK citizens killed with guns by the police
Number of US police killed with guns and number of US citizens killed with guns by the police

multiply the UK number by 5x of course to give the weighted average on population difference.

I bet which number would be far higher.

Maybe this helps? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-police-...

[ZX10R NIN]

I want to get all the facts on the latest shooting but tell me what's right with these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyQtvv_1i8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2H3NuHT9DM

To give you an idea of how the complete system works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hCVFz-0tYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rifzISiAy8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILo1KIg80Ck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LMaXQC9qtE

[Halmyre]

eharding said:

5ohmustang said:

Nothing, posted in error in wrong thread.

You can't even hit the right target with a mouse and a keyboard - and they let you have firearms?

As I've said before - 5ohm : PH member most likely to shoot his own knackers off. Only a matter of time.....

I don't think he's that good a shot...

[anonymous-user]

Gandahar said:

It's easier to correct a mistake with a truncheon than a gun.

Anyone got the stats for 2016 so far for

Number of UK police killed with guns and number of UK citizens killed with guns by the police
Number of US police killed with guns and number of US citizens killed with guns by the police

multiply the UK number by 5x of course to give the weighted average on population difference.

I bet which number would be far higher.

US officers often shoot more people dead in a month than UK officers have shot dead in the last 30 years.

The risk levels are totally different. I have little to no expectation to face a firearm.

If BLM want to reduce black deaths then they need to look at their own communities given the grossly disproportionate amount of firearms murders within their community.

[ZX10R NIN]

La Liga said:

S officers often shoot more people dead in a month than UK officers have shot dead in the last 30 years.

The risk levels are totally different. I have little to no expectation to face a firearm.

If BLM want to reduce black deaths then they need to look at their own communities given the grossly disproportionate amount of firearms murders within their community.

The number of black people killed by another black person is at 89%

The number of white people killed by another white person is at 83%

The number of white people that smoke pot is the same as the number of black people but the black person is 4 times more likely to be arrested.

Also the number of crimes are also economic, also if you get the chance to watch the film Kill The Messenger I'd say do so as it will also show how the CIA introduced Crack to America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nPyf-0UMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tG1iMrG09s

[BertieWooster]

ZX10R NIN said:

The number of black people killed by another black person is at 89%

The number of white people killed by another white person is at 83%

Some figures would be helpful.

A quick look at the FBI's homicide statistics website shows the following for 2015:

Total number of Black or African American murder victims: 2,664
Of those 2,664 murders, 2,380 or 89% were committed by a Black of African American offender, and 229 or 8.59% were committed by a White offender.

Total number of White murder victims: 3,167
Of those 3,167 murders, 2,574 or 81% were committed by a White offender, and 500 or 15.8% were committed by a Black or African American offender.

Source

[98elise]

babatunde said:

98elise said:

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

It seems like he was armed and not compliant. Thats going to get you shot in the US regardless of his colour.

Unless you or your kids are planning to do the same then you have very little to fear.

Since you obviously have some extra eyes that can see the gun that isn't in the video, there is no point refuting any of your statements

Do you believe the gun that was recovered was planted?

[rscott]

98elise said:

babatunde said:

98elise said:

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

It seems like he was armed and not compliant. Thats going to get you shot in the US regardless of his colour.

Unless you or your kids are planning to do the same then you have very little to fear.

Since you obviously have some extra eyes that can see the gun that isn't in the video, there is no point refuting any of your statements

Do you believe the gun that was recovered was planted?

What we haven't been told is where the gun was recovered from. If it was still in the holster then the claim he was an immediate danger is somewhat untrue, compared to if he was actually handling it.

[babatunde]

rscott said:

98elise said:

babatunde said:

98elise said:

babatunde said:

It seem that being a black person is what got him shot, looks like murder to me.

the cops claim they have video showing he deserved to be shot, then release this????

Guess just reinforces my decision not to go live in America with my 2 boys when it seems any of us can be shot with impunity, if the law enforcement officers are so scared of black people they simply shouldn't be cops

It seems like he was armed and not compliant. Thats going to get you shot in the US regardless of his colour.

Unless you or your kids are planning to do the same then you have very little to fear.

Since you obviously have some extra eyes that can see the gun that isn't in the video, there is no point refuting any of your statements

Do you believe the gun that was recovered was planted?

What we haven't been told is where the gun was recovered from. If it was still in the holster then the claim he was an immediate danger is somewhat untrue, compared to if he was actually handling it.

Going back to my original statement, "the police claimed they have video showing he deserved to be shot" then release video showing nothing of the kind, now for all we know they may be right and he was brandishing a gun and deserved to be shot, but this video doesn't show that, if they truly had video showing the gun in his hand then why wouldn't they release it and reduce the tension in the city.

Look people we all try to confirm our prejudices from available evidence, but just sometimes it's worth taking a deep breath and actually looking at the evidence as presented in one particular case.


For those of you who want a deeper insight into the relationship America has with its black citizens this is worth a read
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/1...