US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[rscott]

BlackLabel said:

The former New York City Police Commissioner.....



It’s remarkable that he thinks 963 fatal police encounters a year reflects a "tremendous job on de-escalation".

Strange statistic. Does that mean they arrested 10 million people then shot 963 dead?
Or they shot 963 dead and then arrested them?

Surely the relevant figure would be those who were killed while the arrests were attempted?

Given the accuracy of some American police officers, it's not surprising the figure is so low - http://nation.time.com/2013/09/16/ready-fire-aim-t...

[Countdown]

I think he's saying that there's roughly 1 in a thousand chance of you being shot dead by the NYPD.

With odds like that we can all sleep easy.....

[rich1231]

Countdown said:

I think he's saying that there's roughly 1 in a thousand chance of you being shot dead by the NYPD.

With odds like that we can all sleep easy.....

Maths not a strong point?

[Countdown]

rich1231 said:

Countdown said:

I think he's saying that there's roughly 1 in a thousand chance of you being shot dead by the NYPD.

With odds like that we can all sleep easy.....

Maths not a strong point?

[Tom Logan]

Countdown said:

rich1231 said:

Countdown said:

I think he's saying that there's roughly 1 in a thousand chance of you being shot dead by the NYPD.

With odds like that we can all sleep easy.....

Maths not a strong point?

Give him a break, he's only an accountant.

[BlackLabel]

You’re not even safe in your own shower in the states. When the police officers saw that the bloke was just going about his business, wasn’t armed or threatening anyone why didn’t they just step back?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/am...

[vonuber]

BlackLabel said:

You’re not even safe in your own shower in the states. When the police officers saw that the bloke was just going about his business, wasn’t armed or threatening anyone why didn’t they just step back?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/am...

That's laughable they are not facing charges.

[ZX10R NIN]

That's crazy.

[BlackLabel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jckr9HVE8Eg


Cops taser an unarmed man 10 times then pull down the blokes shorts and taser him an 11th time in the balls. All because he refused to show them id and 'tensed up his arm' when an officer grabbed hold of it.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigatio...

[techguyone]

It's not looking like our home grown ones are doing any better...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47182...

[Rovinghawk]

techguyone said:

It's not looking like our home grown ones are doing any better...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47182...

"Officers stopped a car near the pub and a gun was "unintentionally discharged" injuring a man, police said."

The correct term is "negligently discharged". I'm sure someone will be along shortly to defend it & insult anyone speaking against it.

[Pesty]

BlackLabel said:

The former New York City Police Commissioner.....



It’s remarkable that he thinks 963 fatal police encounters a year reflects a "tremendous job on de-escalation".

It’s remarkable that you cannot imagine some encounters cannot be de escalated because guess what bad guys shoot first.

Try watching this. It’s ok the cop is black . He’s trying to stop a man, man doesn’t want to stop because? Oh yeah he’s up to no good and carrying an illegal firearm. He decides like almost every other fatal shooting it’s better to attack first than go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq3dXfzvdw

[The Mad Monk]

Pesty said:

BlackLabel said:

The former New York City Police Commissioner.....



It’s remarkable that he thinks 963 fatal police encounters a year reflects a "tremendous job on de-escalation".

It’s remarkable that you cannot imagine some encounters cannot be de escalated because guess what bad guys shoot first.

Try watching this. It’s ok the cop is black . He’s trying to stop a man, man doesn’t want to stop because? Oh yeah he’s up to no good and carrying an illegal firearm. He decides like almost every other fatal shooting it’s better to attack first than go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq3dXfzvdw

I don't understand the percentage calculation. I may well be wrong, but I make it 0.00963%.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Pesty said:

It’s remarkable that you cannot imagine some encounters cannot be de escalated because guess what bad guys shoot first.

Try watching this. It’s ok the cop is black . He’s trying to stop a man, man doesn’t want to stop because? Oh yeah he’s up to no good and carrying an illegal firearm. He decides like almost every other fatal shooting it’s better to attack first than go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq3dXfzvdw

Terrifying how quickly it all happened, although at least from the comments they caught him and the officer survived

[rscott]

BlackLabel said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jckr9HVE8Eg


Cops taser an unarmed man 10 times then pull down the blokes shorts and taser him an 11th time in the balls. All because he refused to show them id and 'tensed up his arm' when an officer grabbed hold of it.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigatio...

The demand for ID wasn't even legal and the authorities twice reviewed the case yet declined to charge the officers.

[rscott]

The Mad Monk said:

Pesty said:

BlackLabel said:

The former New York City Police Commissioner.....



It’s remarkable that he thinks 963 fatal police encounters a year reflects a "tremendous job on de-escalation".

It’s remarkable that you cannot imagine some encounters cannot be de escalated because guess what bad guys shoot first.

Try watching this. It’s ok the cop is black . He’s trying to stop a man, man doesn’t want to stop because? Oh yeah he’s up to no good and carrying an illegal firearm. He decides like almost every other fatal shooting it’s better to attack first than go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq3dXfzvdw

I don't understand the percentage calculation. I may well be wrong, but I make it 0.00963%.

The percentage in the tweet is that of the number of blacks shot.

[Halb]

963 out of 10,000,000 seems pretty good to me.

[Bodo]

In 2015/2016 in England and Wales (58.7m inhabitants combined), there were seven incidents where firearms were inlvolved, leading to three fatalities.
It's not comparable though, since police there is not normally armed there.

The comparison to a country where police is routinely carrying weapons seems to be more appropriate for the comparison with the US (325m inhabitants).
In 2015, Germany (82m inhabitants in 2015) police fired 101 rounds, of which 48 were warning shots. Of the 53 shots that were aimed, 13 missed, 40 hit; were the latter caused injuries in 22 cases and death in 10 cases.

Location	armed police	civilian guns per capita	%age of pop killed	factor
US	yes	1.2	0.000296%	59.2
England and Wales	no	0.046	0.000005%	1
Germany	yes	0.196	0.000012%	2.4

The chance of getting killed by police before arrest is approximately 60 times higher in the US of A than in England and Wales.

[The Mad Monk]

rscott said:

The Mad Monk said:

Pesty said:

BlackLabel said:

The former New York City Police Commissioner.....



It’s remarkable that he thinks 963 fatal police encounters a year reflects a "tremendous job on de-escalation".

It’s remarkable that you cannot imagine some encounters cannot be de escalated because guess what bad guys shoot first.

Try watching this. It’s ok the cop is black . He’s trying to stop a man, man doesn’t want to stop because? Oh yeah he’s up to no good and carrying an illegal firearm. He decides like almost every other fatal shooting it’s better to attack first than go to jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qq3dXfzvdw

I don't understand the percentage calculation. I may well be wrong, but I make it 0.00963%.

The percentage in the tweet is that of the number of blacks shot.

Then I think it's still wrong. I make it 0.00223%.

But academic.

[Red 4]

Bodo said:

In 2015/2016 in England and Wales (58.7m inhabitants combined), there were seven incidents where firearms were inlvolved, leading to three fatalities.
It's not comparable though, since police there is not normally armed there.

The comparison to a country where police is routinely carrying weapons seems to be more appropriate for the comparison with the US (325m inhabitants).
In 2015, Germany (82m inhabitants in 2015) police fired 101 rounds, of which 48 were warning shots. Of the 53 shots that were aimed, 13 missed, 40 hit; were the latter caused injuries in 22 cases and death in 10 cases.

Location	armed police	civilian guns per capita	%age of pop killed	factor
US	yes	1.2	0.000296%	59.2
England and Wales	no	0.046	0.000005%	1
Germany	yes	0.196	0.000012%	2.4

The chance of getting killed by police before arrest is approximately 60 times higher in the US of A than in England and Wales.

Thanks for the stats.

When you say there were 7 incidents in E&W where firearms were involved, I assume you mean 7 incidents where police discharged a firearm.

Any stats for the number of shootings in E&W in total (ie not involving police firearms officers) ?

To the nearest thousand will do