US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[hedgefinder]

Pesty said:

or in Englad where the cop tazed a deaf blind man cos he thought his white stick was a samurai sword.

difference is in america somebody can pull out a gun in the blink of an eye.

not that many people been killed with a tazer though........ something being fired through my body and making holes in vital organs compared to a quick but painful electric shock... I know which I would choose!

[Digga]

hedgefinder said:

Pesty said:

or in Englad where the cop tazed a deaf blind man cos he thought his white stick was a samurai sword.

difference is in america somebody can pull out a gun in the blink of an eye.

not that many people been killed with a tazer though........ something being fired through my body and making holes in vital organs compared to a quick but painful electric shock... I know which I would choose!

Nearly but not quite on a par with "cake or death?"

Although I'd wager the British police are more likely to actually hit their target with a tazer, so I'd need to see the odds...

[Foliage]

Also not seen it mentioned but the guy that was 'accidentally' shot was arrested and hand cuffed and then received no medical attention for 20 minutes.

The US is fked.

[ofcorsa]

Pesty said:

So they knew for a fact it was a truck are they clear voyant. Forgot Charles demeneziz (spelling already)? we've have cops here kill somebody with a table leg in a carrier bag. we've had cops shoot and kill naked men in their bedrooms. what country is it more likely a man to be armed? remember supposedly there were reports he was armed.

i wasnt there i am not justifying it it looks retarded to me and unjustifiable as much as it does to you.

ive seen enough videos where people have pulled guns out on cops. I don't or you don't know what they could see or what it looked like to them.
the fact remains that any situation there can turn nasty at any minute.

the guy wasn't responding because hes mentally ill.are police trained to shoot in such a situation? i dont know should they take their lives in their hands and approach on the off chance its a truck? maybe maybe not.

Ive never been in a situation like that, dont want to be.

just saying they were not probably shooting at the guy on the floor. doesn't mean i'm defending these guys.


its looks to me like there are a hundred different ways this could have ended without gunfire.

After shooting him, The reports say they cuffed him. Sounds like he was the intended target.

[Digga]

ofcorsa said:

After shooting him, The reports say they cuffed him. Sounds like he was the intended target.

Monumental stupidity.

[SpudLink]

Vandenberg said:

Anyone know how Risk assessment is taught to UK BiB and the Armed forces?

A friend of mine has been trained to a high level in our army to assess these sort of situations. I asked his opinion earlier ...

My Mate said:

Video is very sketchy and full of gaps. American police are very jumpy at the moment and believe that everyone is out to kill them. That does not justify the shooting of an unarmed man! However, in those situations it's not your place to tell the police what or how to do their job. Just comply and wait till they have full control to argue your case. After the fact it's easy to say you are a therapist and the other man is special needs. They do not know this straight away. Once all the facts come out though, I'm sure the police agency will be sued for excessive force!

Next time we meet I'll point out that when civilians are no longer able to question the actions of the police, we have replaced democracy with a police state.

[bitchstewie]

scherzkeks said:

Digga said:

I'm laughing, but this is utterly tragic. I've no idea what the hell is going on in the USA any more. Are they putting drugs in the coffee and donuts?

Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.

And thank fk they do so things like this can be seen for what they are vs. any potential for spin.

[Digga]

bhstewie said:

scherzkeks said:

Digga said:

I'm laughing, but this is utterly tragic. I've no idea what the hell is going on in the USA any more. Are they putting drugs in the coffee and donuts?

Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.

And thank fk they do so things like this can be seen for what they are vs. any potential for spin.

Absolutely. There is little doubt that even if we trusted the media, we'd not necessarily trust them not to be leaned on by the police and,Mather sadly, our trust in them is somewhat lacking in many places.

[WinstonWolf]

Foliage said:

Also not seen it mentioned but the guy that was 'accidentally' shot was arrested and hand cuffed and then received no medical attention for 20 minutes.

The US is fked.

"They thought the white guy might be armed so they shot the black bloke just to be safe".

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

scherzkeks said:

Digga said:

I'm laughing, but this is utterly tragic. I've no idea what the hell is going on in the USA any more. Are they putting drugs in the coffee and donuts?

Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.

And thank fk they do so things like this can be seen for what they are vs. any potential for spin.

Use of smartphones by witnesses and friends/family of the victims to record events in real time has got to be an agent for change at this point.

Reading accounts of events like this the first reaction is wtf and then afterwards it's wtf.

[Tango13]

I think I know why the police opened fire...

Now we have already established that the police in the US discriminate against the smarter applicants so what we are dealing with are... Well... Morons...

Now the victim is a therapist right? Taking into account the IQ of the average US plod being about the same as an NCP attendant, ie about 0.5

I'd wager the US plod thought the therapist was identifing himself as the rapist and opened fire!

For the hard of thinking this is a tongue in cheek post and is not to be taken in the slightest bit seriously!!!

[Strocky]

babatunde said:

Yep due process must be followed, 2 months paid holiday then, grand jury by his mate the prosecutor and back to work.

It opens rational peoples eyes to whats been going on off camera for the past few hundred years.

You forgot suing the family of the guy you shot for emotional distress

[anonymous-user]

Not sure if this is progress or just poor training...

[Pesty]

ofcorsa said:

After shooting him, The reports say they cuffed him. Sounds like he was the intended target.

They probably cuffed them both because procedure or some such standard issue orders.


I've seen them cuff car crash victims


The deal seems to be, cuff everybody involved sort it out later in court

[wc98]

Pesty said:

They probably cuffed them both because procedure or some such standard issue orders.


I've seen them cuff car crash victims


The deal seems to be, cuff everybody involved sort it out later in court

or the morgue when they bleed out or arrest due to lack of immediate medical care.

[Randy Winkman]

WinstonWolf said:

Foliage said:

Also not seen it mentioned but the guy that was 'accidentally' shot was arrested and hand cuffed and then received no medical attention for 20 minutes.

The US is fked.

"They thought the white guy might be armed so they shot the black bloke just to be safe".

The two key words are there: "black" and "white".

[Jimbeaux]

scherzkeks said:

Same as it ever was, but the victims have smartphones now.

This cop is wrong and will be done up for this. That was a guy who does not need to be a cop.

As to the comments about cops in general; 99.9% of them are fantastic folks that face things you "over there" would cringe at. Sorry, no offense intended, just true. An apt comment about mobile phones; everyone does have them, they are provided for free by Uncle Sam if one cannot afford one.

With that in mind, why is it when there is black on black crime, (93% of black homicides are by other blacks-U.S. Dept. of Justice).(Blacks are 13% of the population but account for 52% of the homicides-U.S. Dept. of Justice). Where are all of the phone videos of these events? Why are the relatively miniscule % of cop on citizen shootings the only ones captured? Just a thought.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 21st July 19:52

[Jimbeaux]

Guys, there are tens of thousands of cops here. Hundreds of thousands of daily interactions. Do you not realize that the action of a miniscule few idiots/bad cops are being highlighted under the media mantra of "if it bleeds it leads"? Come on, put the numbers into perspective, honestly.

[rxtx]

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this sort of thing. Just what is wrong with them exactly?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-kil...

[rxtx]

Jimbeaux said:

Guys, there are tens of thousands of cops here. Hundreds of thousands of daily interactions. Do you not realize that the action of a miniscule few idiots/bad cops are being highlighted under the media mantra of "if it bleeds it leads"? Come on, put the numbers into perspective, honestly.

I'm sure we all know this, what's reported is what's reported, and what isn't reported we don't know about. Nobody reports all the great things they do, or they aren't publicised as much, particularly abroad, but there do seem to be rather a lot of unnecessary shootings.