Attempted abduction of serviceman at Marham

[Sam All]

Suspects likely to be part of a team, likely there were more individuals in the people carrier (dark coloured - the vehicle)

[Mothersruin]

If he was going for a five miler, he might not have made it back any way...

[Stickyfinger]

Don1 said:

I heard RAF Reg. Fond memories of those chaps from Laarbruch.

Good luck kidnapping a Rock-Ape.....even in earphones, one hand tied and a patch over his right eye.

[KernowSid]

Should have asked him to count to 17 and bundled him into the people carrier when he was taking his shoes and socks off!

[Sam All]

KernowSid said:

Should have asked him to count to 17 and bundled him into the people carrier when he was taking his shoes and socks off!

I think story will run for a while

[KernowSid]

I believe it won't, all military camps have advised their personnel to be extra vigilant, and not to make it obvious that your are a member of the armed services when in public, with security heightened everywhere .

Hopefully this will be the last we hear of this type of attack.

[jmorgan]

OK, don't go out in obvious but etc. But what if they already have a good idea who is who and this is a result of casing the joint so to speak?

[KernowSid]

It's not hard to spot a serviceman outside of a military camp, the short hair and lack of beards are a good start. Service women will be harder to distinguish. Observing outside of a base will identify plenty of targets.

The military had lots of warnings and guidance for service personnel during the troubles with the IRA, I imagine that this guidance will be publicised and strongly pushed for the foreseeable, with service and civilian Intel and very visible security patrols.

[eccles]

KernowSid said:

It's not hard to spot a serviceman outside of a military camp, the short hair and lack of beards are a good start. Service women will be harder to distinguish. Observing outside of a base will identify plenty of targets.

The military had lots of warnings and guidance for service personnel during the troubles with the IRA, I imagine that this guidance will be publicised and strongly pushed for the foreseeable, with service and civilian Intel and very visible security patrols.

I work on an Army base, nothing has changed. No briefs, no increased security, just another normal few days.

[KernowSid]

Well there you go, the papers and us on this thread are more concerned than the military.

Can only be a good thing.

[egor110]

eccles said:

KernowSid said:

It's not hard to spot a serviceman outside of a military camp, the short hair and lack of beards are a good start. Service women will be harder to distinguish. Observing outside of a base will identify plenty of targets.

The military had lots of warnings and guidance for service personnel during the troubles with the IRA, I imagine that this guidance will be publicised and strongly pushed for the foreseeable, with service and civilian Intel and very visible security patrols.

I work on an Army base, nothing has changed. No briefs, no increased security, just another normal few days.

How much would you actually be told though ?

My inlaws farm next to a marine base and they've been visited and asked to keep a eye out for anything out of the ordinary , down here though essentially anyone not white stands out.

[Don1]

If you are on base and the alert level goes up, you know.

[eccles]

egor110 said:

eccles said:

KernowSid said:

It's not hard to spot a serviceman outside of a military camp, the short hair and lack of beards are a good start. Service women will be harder to distinguish. Observing outside of a base will identify plenty of targets.

The military had lots of warnings and guidance for service personnel during the troubles with the IRA, I imagine that this guidance will be publicised and strongly pushed for the foreseeable, with service and civilian Intel and very visible security patrols.

I work on an Army base, nothing has changed. No briefs, no increased security, just another normal few days.

How much would you actually be told though ?

We get all the same security briefs and notifications as Army personnel, whether it's relevant to us or not.

[anonymous-user]

Mothersruin said:

If he was going for a five miler, he might not have made it back any way...

[98elise]

KernowSid said:

It's not hard to spot a serviceman outside of a military camp, the short hair and lack of beards are a good start. Service women will be harder to distinguish. Observing outside of a base will identify plenty of targets.

The military had lots of warnings and guidance for service personnel during the troubles with the IRA, I imagine that this guidance will be publicised and strongly pushed for the foreseeable, with service and civilian Intel and very visible security patrols.

I was in the forces during the IRA troubles. The only thing they told us was to avoid wearing uniform when travelling.

[anonymous-user]

Don1 said:

If you are on base and the alert level goes up, you know.

You don't .
It did in Tidworth the other day - not many people knew. I was on duty and didn't know

[egor110]

bmw535i said:

Don1 said:

If you are on base and the alert level goes up, you know.

You don't .
It did in Tidworth the other day - not many people knew. I was on duty and didn't know

What i was getting at was would all staff be told the local farmers/land owners have been asked to keep a eye out?

They have a security patrol that routinely drivers around the lane backing onto the base anyway but the last time they called in and had a chat to all the farmers and gave them a number to ring if anythings not right was during the Irish troubles.

The thing is the marines stand out a mile even out of clothing , there all mega fit and have short hair, surely if they allowed long hair or fashionable haircuts it would be a bit harder to identify them ?

[eccles]

egor110 said:

bmw535i said:

Don1 said:

If you are on base and the alert level goes up, you know.

You don't .
It did in Tidworth the other day - not many people knew. I was on duty and didn't know

What i was getting at was would all staff be told the local farmers/land owners have been asked to keep a eye out?

They have a security patrol that routinely drivers around the lane backing onto the base anyway but the last time they called in and had a chat to all the farmers and gave them a number to ring if anythings not right was during the Irish troubles.

The thing is the marines stand out a mile even out of clothing , there all mega fit and have short hair, surely if they allowed long hair or fashionable haircuts it would be a bit harder to identify them ?

The Army base I work on has quite a variety of haircuts on show. No hipster beardy types, but plenty of variety. Out and about in town you wouldn't generally know the were Army.
When I did my time in the 80's hair was generally longer, so we stood out more with shorter hair, these days though, short hair is in vogue.

Back to your point about local farmers being in the loop. They always have been. They can usually tell the difference between spotters and scrotes and tell Army or Police as required.

[ClaphamGT3]

Maxf said:

During the peak of the IRAs activity, weren't servicemen allowed to carry concealed sidearms off-duty? I wonder if this is something we might see a return of.

I was in the Army during the troubles and never came across this. May have been the case for very specialist/very senior peeps but certainly not commonplace

[Mike_Mac]

egor110 said:

What i was getting at was would all staff be told the local farmers/land owners have been asked to keep a eye out?

In short, no. Duty personnel and the security staff on camp will be well aware of what is 'current' (or SHOULD be made aware!) but the personnel working in the camp day-to-day won't be briefed unless it's directly relevant to them. Generally it isn't.

What they will (should) be getting is regular briefs from their chain of command, which would include any increased security considerations relevant to them (shark-watch, the number to call if you see anything suspicious etc etc).

TBH, most service personnel should have a good level of background security awareness, so there isn't necessarily a need to round everyone up every time there's an incident to tell them stuff they already know.