Shots fired in Munich shopping centre?
Discussion
SilverSpur said:
If this turns out to be another ISIS related incident, the backlash in Germany is going to be substantial.
Nope. The usual multi faith service and condemnation, world leaders standing together for a photo op, the guy that lights up London landmarks in the colours of the effected nations flag will get a bit more work, Facebook and t
tter hashtags in sympathy, multiple Guardian articles on how nothing should change. Jimboka said:
Cupramax said:
Just how many of these nutters have european passports and can just walk in here whenever they feel like? I'll be highly surprised if we dont see a big one in the uk soon and possibly already have with the army base guy yesterday.
None. It takes years to get EU passport & we have passport control/checks
T5XARV said:
SilverSpur said:
Early reports of Nice attack were 10 dead. Then 24. Then 50.
Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
There will be armed police on scene quickly in any city.Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
mike74 said:
Assuming it is who we think it is, it's just crazy, just about all other terrorist orgnisations had some vaguely realistic aims to justify carrying out atrocities... but do these fellas really think they're going to "win" and the whole world will just convert to their particular brand of Islam?
No, it's much worse than that. What they're attempting to do is to goad the "Romans" (the west, in their eyes) into a battle at the town of Dabiq in Syria. Such a battle will herald the beginning of the end times. Here's the relevant hadith.The hadith said:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them).
When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople.
And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks.
Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).
http://searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=041&translator=2&start=0&number=6924When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople.
And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks.
Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).
FunkyChucker said:
Slyjoe said:
FunkyChucker said:
Will they just stop...I'm running out of tealights.
Then create a hashtag and change your twitter icon and facebook photo.DO SOMETHING MAN.
Edited by Slyjoe on Friday 22 July 18:34
Puggit said:
T5XARV said:
SilverSpur said:
Early reports of Nice attack were 10 dead. Then 24. Then 50.
Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
There will be armed police on scene quickly in any city.Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
Puggit said:
T5XARV said:
SilverSpur said:
Early reports of Nice attack were 10 dead. Then 24. Then 50.
Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
There will be armed police on scene quickly in any city.Hard to say yet where this one is going.
And German police routinely carry guns. When this happens here God knows how long until an armed response turns up. If it happens in Southampton or Bath or York or Preston will armed police even be in the same city?
As you can imagine, the firearms team drove as quickly as the cars would take them. So they were quick.
That, of course, was in the days when, according to Cameron and May, we had a surplus of police by some 20%.
The problem is that our response to such a firearms incident would be by unarmed and unprotected police for some time.
In many continental countries the police are armed or regularly armed. Yet these occurrences happen without regard to the deterrent.
I'm not sure the answer is to arm every British Bobbie with an assault rifle. There is an argument that death rates are lowered if the gunman is not confronted by armed police officers. There are alternatives to mass arming, but not a vast selection with the present level of policing. Nor, come to that, at the pre 2010 level either.
If the gunman has fled then it is a case of move in to deal with the casualties.
What a terrible waste of life.
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