Terrorism - how will this all end?

[All that jazz]

caelite said:

Honestly? It will either go away over time as stability returns in the middle east, or they will end up turning into the rather depressing American situation with mass shootings, where they happen every week or two but are only reported on when they are particularly gruesome.

Not sure if serious..

[Alucidnation]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yep.

[Tom Logan]

rscott said:

And when those 800 Muslims encounter the Islamaphobic attitudes shoeb some of the posts on here and elsewhere which claim Islam is the cause of all the wrongs in the world, then maybe 100 of them will become more sympathetic to the extremist Muslims.

The West needs to make it clear that they support the peaceful ones and they're welcome to remain here (as long as they comply with our laws) and encourage them to condemn and expose the extremists.

Good luck with that one.

[grumbledoak]

ShaunTheSheep said:

Nobody gives a st though, it's not their job plus it would mean speaking to Muslims or God forbid, becoming friends with some when you suddenly realise you've got more in common than you thought.

Pathetic and ignorant. Jihad is at the core of Islam. It is not something that happens because we just aren't nice enough to them.

[The Hypno-Toad]

Mothersruin said:

Will.

Keyser Soze knew a thing or two.

Whoever has the will, will win.

This. 100% This.

[Leroy902]

We go into their countries claiming to liberate them, they all unite and rise, we start resigning fire from the sky's and begin a war claiming, "the dictators in charge need to be taken down!", we cause mayhem, then when we realise it'll take a little longer than expected, make a quick exit through the back door.

It leaves the people of the country in the sts, turning into civil wars, with different factions of religion/ethnic groups fighting amoungst each other, completely destroying the country/killing millions (mostly innocent people) with no way back.

And now we're scratching out heads wondering why they're pissed and want to blow every motherfker from the west up!?

[Eric Mc]

When will what end? Islamic extremist inspired terrorism or just terrorism in general?

In the big scheme of things, I can see a time (maybe 30 or 40 years down the line) where this phase of extreme Islam may have run its course and that source of inspiration for terror acts fades out.

However, we have had terrorism being used as a tactic at least since the 1950s. In fact, if you look at how the Vichy rulers of World War 2 France labelled those who carried out work for the French Resistance, we have had forms of "terrorism" for almost 80 years.

Therefore, I think that terrorism as a tactic to further some cause or other is here to stay because as soon as one major source of annoyance for some group dies out, another will emerge.

[MrBrightSi]

Leroy902 said:

We go into their countries claiming to liberate them, they all unite and rise, we start resigning fire from the sky's and begin a war claiming, "the dictators in charge need to be taken down!", we cause mayhem, then when we realise it'll take a little longer than expected, make a quick exit through the back door.

It leaves the people of the country in the sts, turning into civil wars, with different factions of religion/ethnic groups fighting amoungst each other, completely destroying the country/killing millions (mostly innocent people) with no way back.

And now we're scratching out heads wondering why they're pissed and want to blow every motherfker from the west up!?

WE WE WE.

Get fked, it's your weak will that turned things stupid, the vietnam apathy stopped the job getting done right in the 90's when the Arab league was all in on fking Sadam up, don't you remember him using nerve gas and mustard on Kurds? Shia mass graves?

That was in the 90's, before the new age guilt peddlers started blaming us for it.

As i've said in other threads, look into history, from the huge expansion of Islam just in the Arabian peninsular alone is quite respectable in the whole warlord top 10 kind of way. It didn't stop there, all of spain, chunks of france and after that is turned back eastern europe and the Balkans.

This isn't something that has happened over night. Even the idea of the Crusades is spun as some sort of war of conquest against a people with defacto claim of the middle east, yet Christianity, the pagan religions and Judaism were all founded long before. So the land was originally Christian, the forces of Jihad and the rightful Caliphs changed that, again check out the pan arab colours.

Blaming us for their civil wars is pathetic. Blame us for Mugabe too. It's not that our western mindset isn't universal and the power-play/struggles in these countries, the insanely faceted tribal structure of places like Afghanistan, that the Russians got wrong and Afghans got wrong too.

Dictators too, would you say it's our fault for Mugabe too? Or is that a country we should invade and sort out, that was supposedly our colonial mess even though we denounced the alternative.

[rscott]

Tom Logan said:

rscott said:

And when those 800 Muslims encounter the Islamaphobic attitudes shoeb some of the posts on here and elsewhere which claim Islam is the cause of all the wrongs in the world, then maybe 100 of them will become more sympathetic to the extremist Muslims.

The West needs to make it clear that they support the peaceful ones and they're welcome to remain here (as long as they comply with our laws) and encourage them to condemn and expose the extremists.

Good luck with that one.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are complying with our laws already.

[del mar]

rscott said:

And when those 800 Muslims encounter the Islamaphobic attitudes shoeb some of the posts on here and elsewhere which claim Islam is the cause of all the wrongs in the world, then maybe 100 of them will become more sympathetic to the extremist Muslims.

The West needs to make it clear that they support the peaceful ones and they're welcome to remain here ((as long as they comply with our laws) and encourage them to condemn and expose the extremists.

I don't think we can do more to demonstrate our support for them. over the past decades we have gone out of our way to support their beliefs and cultural quirks.
Sharia courts
Mosques where they want them
DEFRA had the chance to amend guidelines on animal slaughter to stop religious slaughter - we didn't
Some eu countries have banned the burka - we haven't
The pc madness in Rotherham.
Saying boo to a lady on full veil is now a crime.
Islamic schools
No requirement to integrate

What more would you propose we do ?

[Evoluzione]

It won't.

[frisbee]

Oil will run out, we won't have developed a viable alternative, civilisation will eventually collapse and us unbelievers will show Muslim extremists how much nastier people raised under a constant deluge of violent media and sugar can be.

That'll solve the terrorism issue.

[AJS-]

rscott said:

And when those 800 Muslims encounter the Islamaphobic attitudes shoeb some of the posts on here and elsewhere which claim Islam is the cause of all the wrongs in the world, then maybe 100 of them will become more sympathetic to the extremist Muslims.

The West needs to make it clear that they support the peaceful ones and they're welcome to remain here ((as long as they comply with our laws) and encourage them to condemn and expose the extremists.

Or just maybe a few will think "hang on, maybe there is a problem with how some Muslims deal with things."

Supporting peaceful Muslims should not mean pandering to every demand or suppressing discussion of Islam.

[ShaunTheSheep]

grumbledoak said:

Pathetic and ignorant. Jihad is at the core of Islam. It is not something that happens because we just aren't nice enough to them.

Utter nonsense. You're suggesting every Muslim wants to take over? If it was true, then why are the vast majority peaceful?

[grumbledoak]

ShaunTheSheep said:

Utter nonsense. You're suggesting every Muslim wants to take over? If it was true, then why are the vast majority peaceful?

Jihad doesn't have to be violent. Outbreeding us is jihad too.

[marshalla]

Just had to do a bit of pruning.

Let's keep the thread civilised shall we? Debate, good. Personal insults, bad.

[rscott]

AJS- said:

rscott said:

And when those 800 Muslims encounter the Islamaphobic attitudes shoeb some of the posts on here and elsewhere which claim Islam is the cause of all the wrongs in the world, then maybe 100 of them will become more sympathetic to the extremist Muslims.

The West needs to make it clear that they support the peaceful ones and they're welcome to remain here ((as long as they comply with our laws) and encourage them to condemn and expose the extremists.

Or just maybe a few will think "hang on, maybe there is a problem with how some Muslims deal with things."

Supporting peaceful Muslims should not mean pandering to every demand or suppressing discussion of Islam.

Never said it should involve pandering to every demands or suppressing discussion of Islam. However, there's nothing wrong with accommodating different behaviours where they're not in conflict with our own.
I've also never suggested suppressing discussion either, but do feel it needs refining from the all-encompassing 'All Islam is evil' we see all too often from some parts of the media (and even on here).

[Digga]

Not all Islam us evil, no. Not all Muslims want to change society into a caliphate, but there are some fundamental nodes of conflict between large parts of Islam and liberal, Western culture:
- Gender equality
- Sexual equality
- Alcohol
- Dress (or lack of)

All of the above are sticking points; the West will not yield on these. Moving forward, Islam has to deal with this. It cannot expect pockets of Sharia to shield it from core, basic human rights, if it wants not just to exist, but to integrate with the West. It has to change.

[rscott]

Digga said:

Not all Islam us evil, no. Not all Muslims want to change society into a caliphate, but there are some fundamental nodes of conflict between large parts of Islam and liberal, Western culture:
- Gender equality
- Sexual equality
- Alcohol
- Dress (or lack of)

All of the above are sticking points; the West will not yield on these. Moving forward, Islam has to deal with this. It cannot expect pockets of Sharia to shield it from core, basic human rights, if it wants not just to exist, but to integrate with the West. It has to change.

Some are not unique to Muslims though - alcohol is banned by other religions too (Sikhs & Mormons, for example).

Sharia law obviously shouldn't replace or override British laws, but parts of it aren't incompatible, just as parts of the Jewish courts can operate within our laws.

The key is to work with all these faiths to ensure that if any religious courts exist, they do so in an open and public manner which is compatible with existing laws.

[anonymous-user]

BigLion said:

With yet another likely terrorist attack

Except it wasn't.