Terrorism - how will this all end?

[Trabi601]

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

[Sam All]

Trabi601 said:

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

If everyone converted to Islam (Sunni version), there would be peace for ever more.

Religion, a disease.

[Vizsla]

TTwiggy said:

AJL308 said:

lionelf said:

You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.

It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.

I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.

No. Someone pointed out that it would be a policy redolent of 1930s Germany. Can you not see that telling someone where they may or may not carry out a perfectly legal activity is fascism 101?

Not sure of the logic here - most of us accept that, for example, perfectly legal activities such as smoking and drinking alcohol have restrictions placed on where they can be carried out. Do you consider any law which restricts individual freedom, for the overall benefit of society, fascist by definition?

[TTwiggy]

Vizsla said:

Not sure of the logic here - most of us accept that, for example, perfectly legal activities such as smoking and drinking alcohol have restrictions placed on where they can be carried out. Do you consider any law which restricts individual freedom, for the overall benefit of society, fascist by definition?

Both alcohol and tobacco smoke are recognised as dangerous (for different reasons). Despite the view of the athiest front on here, religion is not classed as a mental illness by the WHO (who are probably better qualified than 'a bloke on a motoring site with strong opinions'), nor is it viewed as harmful (with the exception of those religions classified as cults).

[p1stonhead]

At what point has the news gone beyond something Brass Eye would do?!

https://twitter.com/bobbyfaghihi/status/7585973887...

[TheExcession]

skyrover said:

Indeed.... would this be the same Pakistan where a man had his arms chopped off a few weeks ago for refusing to convert to Islam?

They really are going to come for us ALL aren't they. (assuming of course that the link is true).

10+ years ago I made a post here regarding the over riding influx of Muslims into London and how in a few years the indigenous people would be completely out bread and become a minority.

Recently I posted a poll here asking who had actually read the Koran.

I didn't seed the poll with the point 'You do realise that the Koran states that every non believer of Islam should be 'eventually' put to death'.

Of course not, that would be me inciting racial hatred and would get me a ban here at least, and possibly some police attention if I splashed it all over youtube, facebook or twitter.

Perhaps a few of you might like to go away now, put aside your pokemon go, turn off the TV and read some of the book of peace.

France is having an awful time at the moment, it won't be very long before it happens on your doorsteps there in the UK.

[BigLion]

p1stonhead said:

At what point has the news gone beyond something Brass Eye would do?!

https://twitter.com/bobbyfaghihi/status/7585973887...

quality

[lionelf]

TTwiggy said:

AJL308 said:

lionelf said:

You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.

It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.

I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.

No. Someone pointed out that it would be a policy redolent of 1930s Germany. Can you not see that telling someone where they may or may not carry out a perfectly legal activity is fascism 101?

In what world would something that's been banned still be legal?

We ban many things which we in the west feel are abhorrent.

We 'banned' Sinn Fein from broadcasting because they were the political wing of the IRA and didn't rescind the ban until after the first Provisional IRA ceasefire was announced in 1994.

Denying the holocaust has likewise been banned in major Western European countries.

Comparing the outlawing of religion due to its inherent falsehoods and complicit support for acts of violence (built into its scripture) with Nazi Germany is nonsense.

[All that jazz]

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

[TTwiggy]

All that jazz said:

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

Irony defined.

[All that jazz]

TTwiggy said:

All that jazz said:

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

Irony defined.

Perhaps you'd like to proffer a better solution then? As I said, the current status quo is hardly working is it? What do you propose? We try talking to them nicely? That's bound to work.

[TTwiggy]

All that jazz said:

Perhaps you'd like to proffer a better solution then? As I said, the current status quo is hardly working is it? What do you propose? We try talking to them nicely? That's bound to work.

It's not up to me to offer solutions. You're the one calling for the (probably violent) removal of all religions worldwide. I'd say you're currently offering more problems than solutions. At least I'm maintaining a status quo .

[BigLion]

All that jazz said:

TTwiggy said:

All that jazz said:

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

Irony defined.

Perhaps you'd like to proffer a better solution then? As I said, the current status quo is hardly working is it? What do you propose? We try talking to them nicely? That's bound to work.

Are you really that obtuse? You seriously believe that if religion didn't exist that we would all be sitting here like hippies and not find another reason to kill each other over?

You might want to look into the Gamboe study and then consider gang warfare etc.

[TheExcession]

Vizsla said:

Not sure of the logic here - most of us accept that, for example, perfectly legal activities such as smoking and drinking alcohol have restrictions placed on where they can be carried out. Do you consider any law which restricts individual freedom, for the overall benefit of society, fascist by definition?

That's quite a deep thought provoking question.

Surely initially it becomes a consensus view.

For example smoking, I like to smoke but I fully support the fact that I cannot smoke in a public confined space. I accept that consensus, and in fact support it 100%. I think pubs/clubs/trains/planes are 100% better for the indoor smoking ban.

"for the overall benefit of society" is a hard one to crack, especially if we are to consider something like Sharia Law. Personally I don't want that anywhere near me or my family and children. It just doesn't sit right.

Yet to many Sharia Law is the answer to all the world's problems, to the rest of us it is perhaps a major contribution to many of the world's problems.

Why is that?

I can see and understand how Sharia Law could in fact be a massive benefit to a static society where there is no progression.

That is not what we humans are about, we are not statically inclined creatures.

Static patterns of social and cultural values are very important in providing a platform from which we make dynamic leaps forwards.

When we jump up a level we need that platform to step back upon if things don't work out quite as we'd hoped.

My major worry is that we shouldn't be stepping back upon platforms or levels that were established 2000 years ago.

I have a major problem with Religion being anything other than an outdated platform upon which a vast majority are trying to make a 'step forwards' by holding everyone else back.

In my mind I think 'social media' is going to eventually set us all back a few steps too. I haven't quite figured out exactly how it will happen yet, but to me it is panning out as the latest religion.

[All that jazz]

BigLion said:

All that jazz said:

TTwiggy said:

All that jazz said:

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

Irony defined.

Perhaps you'd like to proffer a better solution then? As I said, the current status quo is hardly working is it? What do you propose? We try talking to them nicely? That's bound to work.

Are you really that obtuse? You seriously believe that if religion didn't exist that we would all be sitting here like hippies and not find another reason to kill each other over?

You might want to look into the Gamboe study and then consider gang warfare etc.

Give me figures of attacks based on religion vs attacks not based on religion. I don't have exact figures and I can't be arsed to search for any either but from a random beermat calculation based on what's seen in the media suggests that 90%+ of attacks are religion based. No, it won't suddenly make us all lovey hippies but it'll go a very long way to making the world a much better place.

[BigLion]

All that jazz said:

BigLion said:

All that jazz said:

TTwiggy said:

All that jazz said:

Trabi601 said:

All that jazz said:

Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.

It'll just be replaced by another form of tribalism which can be used to justify hatred and violence.

Keep wiping them out til they get the message that it has no place on this planet.

Irony defined.

Perhaps you'd like to proffer a better solution then? As I said, the current status quo is hardly working is it? What do you propose? We try talking to them nicely? That's bound to work.

Are you really that obtuse? You seriously believe that if religion didn't exist that we would all be sitting here like hippies and not find another reason to kill each other over?

You might want to look into the Gamboe study and then consider gang warfare etc.

Give me figures of attacks based on religion vs attacks not based on religion. I don't have exact figures and I can't be arsed to search for any either but from a random beermat calculation based on what's seen in the media suggests that 90%+ of attacks are religion based. No, it won't suddenly make us all lovey hippies but it'll go a very long way to making the world a much better place.

Honestly I don't know if you're serious or trolling or just someone who is very young and naive.

Read up on Gamboe, gang warfare, tribes...

[Digga]

Aside from just the aspect of terrorism, there is clear scant checks on new entrants to the EU. The BBC just showed an interview with a Nigerian immigrant in Germany who (in excellentbEnglish) explained his concerns about some of the other immigrants he was housed was critical of known criminals bring able to gain entry and not be deported and he pointed out the obvious fact that since they were previously criminals, why were they likely to behave any differently in their new home?

Getting border checks and controls right is a key factor in both minimising terrorism and extremism, as well as improving the prospects of those looking to integrate.

[dudleybloke]

One reason for claiming asylum is "police persecution" believe it or not.
As police persecute criminals its not difficult to realise that we are going to be a bolt hole for foreign ner-do-wells.

[Digga]

dudleybloke said:

One reason for claiming asylum is "police persecution" believe it or not.
As police persecute criminals its not difficult to realise that we are going to be a bolt hole for foreign ner-do-wells.

Half if black America might claim that right now, but that's another matter.

If they're convicted or absconded from trial, we probably shouldn't take them really.

[AJS-]

All that jazz
How is the ban on drugs working out?

I can't think of many better ways to make religion cool than the government trying to ban it.