Terrorism - how will this all end?
Discussion
jdw100 said:
A mate of mine in UK does this amazing dancing from her parents region of India, even gave up work for six months to take it to the top level....should she give that up as well as speaking her parents language when at their house?
I don't know, is anyone racially assaulting her for dancing? If not then I'm sure she's fine to carry on.What language she speaks to her parents in at their home is between them and nobody else.
rscott said:
Where has simply complaining about how some dresses lead to a conviction for race crimes?
If you insult someone because they are wearing a t-shirt nothing will be done about it.If you insult a woman because she is wearing a burka, you can and will be arrested for race/hate crime.
skyrover said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
rscott said:
Zoon said:
The problem stems from being too tolerant of other ways of life.
Go to a muslim country dressed incorrectly and it's frowned upon.
Come here dress how you want and if anyone complains they get into trouble for race crimes.
Yet if I went to another country and started calling the shots about how I want to dress and building my own style of church I'd probably be sentenced to death.
Where has simply complaining about how some dresses lead to a conviction for race crimes? The recent case involved physical contact and forced removal of the clothes.Go to a muslim country dressed incorrectly and it's frowned upon.
Come here dress how you want and if anyone complains they get into trouble for race crimes.
Yet if I went to another country and started calling the shots about how I want to dress and building my own style of church I'd probably be sentenced to death.
Re the bold comment - in a tiny fraction of Muslim countries, but the vast majority have no issues with building new churches - http://www.bowlandcentral.com/forum/showthread.php... . . It's pretty much only Saudi Arabia which forbid it.
In fact in some countries, Muslims even build the churches for the Christians - http://muslimnews.co.uk/news/south-asia/Pakistani-...
In many of these countries - where Christianity was the mainstream religion (or still practised by a large and significant minority of the population) until fairly recently (in some cases as recent as 40 years ago) - the barriers to obtaining permission even to assemble as Christians in a pace of worship, before you even start to to apply for the building a church, are very high. The bureaucracy is unreasonably complex and aimed to "discourage" freedom of expression or practice of any non-Muslim religion.
Interesting take on the Aqeel Masih story here - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694164/Pa... . Daily Mail claims he may have lost them in a train accident.. Even if the Jihadwatch story you're referring to is true, does that represent the views & attitudes of the whole country?
Zoon said:
rscott said:
Where has simply complaining about how some dresses lead to a conviction for race crimes?
If you insult someone because they are wearing a t-shirt nothing will be done about it.If you insult a woman because she is wearing a burka, you can and will be arrested for race/hate crime.
lionelf said:
You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.
It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
AJL308 said:
lionelf said:
You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.
It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
TTwiggy said:
No. Someone pointed out that it would be a policy redolent of 1930s Germany. Can you not see that telling someone where they may or may not carry out a perfectly legal activity is fascism 101?
It should be made illegal and anyone caught should be carted off to a mental institution.harry. said:
It's interesting to read how the religion of Islam is seen as the root cause of the majority of the terrorism, i.e the caliphate, being unable to integrate to western values etc.
But there's very little mention of reason why some of these people turn to terrorism, whilst some of it is surely down to being brainwashed and converted, some is also down the western bombs accidentally hitting a civilians house, killing innocent people. 60 or so innocent people died in Syria the other week from the US bomb hitting the wrong target.
Lots of people just seem fixated on one reason (the religion) when the picture is a lot bigger.
I don't really think there is much too that. A lot of terrorism we have seen in the UK is from young people born here. I don't get the sense that they suddenly get the urge to blow themselves up on a bus because some houses get accidentally bombed by the Yanks in a country they have probably never even been to.But there's very little mention of reason why some of these people turn to terrorism, whilst some of it is surely down to being brainwashed and converted, some is also down the western bombs accidentally hitting a civilians house, killing innocent people. 60 or so innocent people died in Syria the other week from the US bomb hitting the wrong target.
Lots of people just seem fixated on one reason (the religion) when the picture is a lot bigger.
It's the religion, I'm afraid. Too many of its adherents have decided that they are fighting a holy war to Islamify the world or to impose the 'correct' version of Islam on it. That doesn't mean that all Muslims think this way but a very, very large proportion do.
rscott said:
Any examples of anyone being arrested for race/hate crime just for insulting a woman wearing a burka (or niqab, even?) . The recent case involved someone physically attacking the woman to tear her clothing.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/23/london-man-confronted-muslim-woman-explain-brussels-attacks-arrestedHow he knew she was muslim isn't stated.
But he asked her a question, albeit a very stupid one.
All that jazz said:
It should be made illegal and anyone caught should be carted off to a mental institution.
I find this hard-line atheism just as disturbing as religious extremism. Think about what you're saying there. The little old lady who goes to church on a Sunday - chuck her in the loony bin! The local parish vicar (a bit like the priest murdered in France) - throw him in jail! What a truly odd and oppressive POV to hold.Zoon said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/23/lo...
How he knew she was muslim isn't stated.
But he asked her a question, albeit a very stupid one.
Charges dropped. Very clever man obviously.How he knew she was muslim isn't stated.
But he asked her a question, albeit a very stupid one.
PR company owner said:
Who cares if I insulted some towelhead ?? Really.
TTwiggy said:
AJL308 said:
lionelf said:
You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.
It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
TTwiggy said:
AJL308 said:
lionelf said:
You could start by banning ALL religion outside of the home. No right to worship outside of the home and no place to gather either (ie Church/Mosque/Synagogue etc). Then no particular group/religion could claim that they were being unfairly repressed. Those who followed a religion would discover that if they wanted to both pray and hold down a job they'd have to live in a country that still allows religion to hold sway.
It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
I suggested just that the other day and got called a Nazi.It's not perfect but I fail to see how else you can stop all this nonsense whilst appearing even-handed to all sides.
So lionelf is a fascist too, then?
Your argument defeats its self anyway. If religion outside the home were banned then it wouldn't be a 'perfectly legal activity', would it? It is common place, and not at all intolerant or unreasonable, for lots of things to be legal to do in one place yet not another.
AJL308 said:
No, someone said word to the effect of "You'd be happy in 1930's Germany", clearly implying that I was basically a Nazi
So lionelf is a fascist too, then?
Your argument defeats its self anyway. If religion outside the home were banned then it wouldn't be a 'perfectly legal activity', would it? It is common place, and not at all intolerant or unreasonable, for lots of things to be legal to do in one place yet not another.
So, we can both agree that nobody called you a Nazi. Good. So lionelf is a fascist too, then?
Your argument defeats its self anyway. If religion outside the home were banned then it wouldn't be a 'perfectly legal activity', would it? It is common place, and not at all intolerant or unreasonable, for lots of things to be legal to do in one place yet not another.
Why would you want to make religion illegal in public? What are you planning to do with all the old English churches and the nice middle class people who worship in them? Where would people get married? Who would annoint the Queen/King? Who's going to tell Her Maj that she doesn't have a church to be head of? Do you think you may not have thought this through too well?
TTwiggy said:
All that jazz said:
It should be made illegal and anyone caught should be carted off to a mental institution.
I find this hard-line atheism just as disturbing as religious extremism. Think about what you're saying there. The little old lady who goes to church on a Sunday - chuck her in the loony bin! The local parish vicar (a bit like the priest murdered in France) - throw him in jail! What a truly odd and oppressive POV to hold.
Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.
All that jazz said:
TTwiggy said:
All that jazz said:
It should be made illegal and anyone caught should be carted off to a mental institution.
I find this hard-line atheism just as disturbing as religious extremism. Think about what you're saying there. The little old lady who goes to church on a Sunday - chuck her in the loony bin! The local parish vicar (a bit like the priest murdered in France) - throw him in jail! What a truly odd and oppressive POV to hold. Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.All that jazz said:
Because the alternative is working out well isn't it? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.
Do you believe that the enforced removal of all religion would be bloodless? How would you ensure it doesn't go underground and lead to more, not less, terrorism? Do you actually think it's clever/funny to constantly trot out the 'sky fairy' line? Have you also not thought this through too well? Remind me again how many attacks there have been throughout history all in the name of sky fairy belief? Stamp out religion and the vast majority of the problems in the world are over. So yeah, the little old lady and local parish vicar are as good a place as any to start.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff