Keeping terrorism in perspective
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The intent of terrorism is provoke fear. Therefore the best defence is to not be afraid, however you don't need to be a huge hero to do this, you just need a few facts and figures. You are massively more like to die in terribly mundane way that terrorism or crime in general.
World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
Ah ok, so should we all stay cool about it until more people are dying from terrorism than lightning strikes?
I don't know if you've noticed, but the frequency and extremity of terrorist attacks has increased dramatically, to the point that nobody is really shocked anymore. We are basically turning in to the middle east, by accepting this as a part of every day life.
But it's fine, it's all fine. I'll have to keep this in mind if one of my sisters or loved ones is mutilated or raped.
I don't know if you've noticed, but the frequency and extremity of terrorist attacks has increased dramatically, to the point that nobody is really shocked anymore. We are basically turning in to the middle east, by accepting this as a part of every day life.
But it's fine, it's all fine. I'll have to keep this in mind if one of my sisters or loved ones is mutilated or raped.
Good post. Unfortunately this is PH where logic and reason went out the door a long time ago.
Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 5 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 5 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Edited by rpguk on Saturday 23 July 09:56
rpguk said:
Good post. Unfortunately this is PH where logic and reason went out the door a long time ago.
Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 3 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Sounds like a Brexit voter Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 3 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Terrorism is strategic, gets the most coverage by far and is manipulated exceptionally well by our governments too. The population consent to crazy things under fear. It pays to have this constant cycle of fear
What's that quote, the biggest threat to military and arms companies is the absence of war. Everyone has an interest. It's not like ISIS purchased their American weapons from eBay - can you imagine the level of security? Yet that's what they're using across the middle East. It's not black and white, it's dirty politics and capitalism at work. ISIS are simply the current symptom
PositronicRay said:
What are you suggesting?
Instead of border checks and armed police maybe a free sandwich.
I think he's suggesting keeping terrorism in perspective, just based on his thread title. Unfortunately there's little chance of that with our 24 hr news channels playing right into ISIS hands.Instead of border checks and armed police maybe a free sandwich.
Surely giving these misfits and losers the oxygen of publicity is the exact opposite of what we should be doing? I don't care what they are called, what they look like or what their back story is. Make the information available but don't give them the notoriety and attention they thrive on
You and your loved ones are probably going to die of old age/heart attack/cancer, not some angry, exploding brown person.
rpguk said:
Good post. Unfortunately this is PH where logic and reason went out the door a long time ago.
Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 5 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Yet you look at Barry and assume that a manual job with a knackered car equals a thick racist.Barry the tyre fitter from Barnsley (with a dormant Ltd company and a knackered old 5 series) doesn't care much for 'experts' and 'facts' - he's just seen a brown bloke with a gun in the Express and there's nowt that riles him up so.
Edited by rpguk on Saturday 23 July 09:56
More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
jjlynn27 said:
Crush said:
Yet you look at Barry and assume that a manual job with a knackered car equals a thick racist.
More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
I'm sure I'm missing a woosh parrot here, but I don't get the last line.More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
But don't let it detract from the original post which made a very good and often forgotten point.Perspective is important, emotions are always going to be real but it is worth standing back and reflecting on the facts because these guys are effectively toddlers having a very major tantrum. We should treat them as such.
4x4Tyke said:
The intent of terrorism is provoke fear. Therefore the best defence is to not be afraid, however you don't need to be a huge hero to do this, you just need a few facts and figures. You are massively more like to die in terribly mundane way that terrorism or crime in general.
World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
Over 1.15 million Americans killed by handguns since the murder of John Lennon.World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/1-15-million-am...
rpguk said:
jjlynn27 said:
Crush said:
Yet you look at Barry and assume that a manual job with a knackered car equals a thick racist.
More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
I'm sure I'm missing a woosh parrot here, but I don't get the last line.More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
But don't let it detract from the original post which made a very good and often forgotten point.Perspective is important, emotions are always going to be real but it is worth standing back and reflecting on the facts because these guys are effectively toddlers having a very major tantrum. We should treat them as such.
As abhorrent as those atrocities in France and Germany are, and they are, no two ways about it, the initial post does put things into some kind of perspective.
Maybe less of this;
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-least-85-civilians-...
would reduce number of ISIS recruit.
As to what the solution is, I really don't know.
What I do know that idiotic 'let's nuke the f
kers' as on Munich thread, is not going to solve anything.
Maybe less of this;
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-least-85-civilians-...
would reduce number of ISIS recruit.
As to what the solution is, I really don't know.
What I do know that idiotic 'let's nuke the f
kers' as on Munich thread, is not going to solve anything. Edited by jjlynn27 on Saturday 23 July 11:29
rpguk said:
jjlynn27 said:
Crush said:
Yet you look at Barry and assume that a manual job with a knackered car equals a thick racist.
More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
I'm sure I'm missing a woosh parrot here, but I don't get the last line.More like your Barry than you think with those generalisations.
But don't let it detract from the original post which made a very good and often forgotten point.Perspective is important, emotions are always going to be real but it is worth standing back and reflecting on the facts because these guys are effectively toddlers having a very major tantrum. We should treat them as such.
Agree that the OP makes a good point regarding the low risk of a terrorist death in the grand scheme of things. I guess it is like fear of air travel where there are very few deaths, however the thought of plummeting 40 000 feet is a bit scarier than the idea of pooping yourself to death.
jjlynn27 said:
As abhorrent as those atrocities in France and Germany are, an they are, no two ways about it, the initial post does put things into some kind of perspective.
Maybe less of this;
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-least-85-civilians-...
would reduce number of ISIS recruit.
As to what solution is, I really don't know.
What I do know that idiotic 'let's nuke the fkers' as on Munich thread, is not going to solve anything.
Doesn't help does it? In a way it is understandable why people are joining ISIS as all they see is the West killing innocent people (same as people get angry at Islam as they see Muslims killing innocents in Europe). Maybe less of this;
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-least-85-civilians-...
would reduce number of ISIS recruit.
As to what solution is, I really don't know.
What I do know that idiotic 'let's nuke the f
kers' as on Munich thread, is not going to solve anything. Type 'western strikes on civilians' into a search and it is frightening to see how many innocents are dying in the Middle East as a direct result of Western intervention.
Worth noting that a quick tally of UK terrorist incidents in GB 2000-present (source) shows 58 deaths - that's 56 from the 7/7 incident, Lee Rigby and Jo Cox. That's 3.6 deaths per annum out of a population of the best part of 60 million people. It really is a tiny, albeit deeply disturbing, threat.
If we're talking the 6 years since 2010 we've got 4 terrorist attacks in the UK and that's an even split between Islamist and Far right with them managing a fatality each.
Unpleasant, yes and I totally understand why it's news worthy but it needs to get a lot worse before I'd be wanting to give up my freedoms and it worries me that on one of the other threads there is a bloke talking nonsense about how the only 2 options are for Europe to become a Muslim celephate or to stamp out Muslims entirely.
For all the WW2 valour we brits like to claim on behalf of our grandparents, it's sad to see how quick some people are to crumble in practice.
If we're talking the 6 years since 2010 we've got 4 terrorist attacks in the UK and that's an even split between Islamist and Far right with them managing a fatality each.
Unpleasant, yes and I totally understand why it's news worthy but it needs to get a lot worse before I'd be wanting to give up my freedoms and it worries me that on one of the other threads there is a bloke talking nonsense about how the only 2 options are for Europe to become a Muslim celephate or to stamp out Muslims entirely.
For all the WW2 valour we brits like to claim on behalf of our grandparents, it's sad to see how quick some people are to crumble in practice.
Edited by rpguk on Saturday 23 July 11:19
Crush said:
Doesn't help does it? In a way it is understandable why people are joining ISIS as all they see is the West killing innocent people (same as people get angry at Islam as they see Muslims killing innocents in Europe).
Type 'western strikes on civilians' into a search and it is frightening to see how many innocents are dying in the Middle East as a direct result of Western intervention.
Which is a fraction of the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims. You sound like the usual apologist.Type 'western strikes on civilians' into a search and it is frightening to see how many innocents are dying in the Middle East as a direct result of Western intervention.
TheGuru said:
Crush said:
Doesn't help does it? In a way it is understandable why people are joining ISIS as all they see is the West killing innocent people (same as people get angry at Islam as they see Muslims killing innocents in Europe).
Type 'western strikes on civilians' into a search and it is frightening to see how many innocents are dying in the Middle East as a direct result of Western intervention.
Which is a fraction of the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims. You sound like the usual apologist.Type 'western strikes on civilians' into a search and it is frightening to see how many innocents are dying in the Middle East as a direct result of Western intervention.
4x4Tyke said:
The intent of terrorism is provoke fear. Therefore the best defence is to not be afraid, however you don't need to be a huge hero to do this, you just need a few facts and figures. You are massively more like to die in terribly mundane way that terrorism or crime in general.
World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
Perspective eh..World wide deaths due to terrorist in 2014 - 32,658
Food poisoning - 350k
Murder/Death due to crime in 2014 - 400,000+
Suicide - 800k
Traffic Accident - 1.3 Million
Malnutrition - 3.1 Million
Child death from lack of vaccination 6.6 Million
Preventable disease 56 Million people a year
In the UK More people are killed by lightning than Terrorism
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/15/fr...
"A government committee’s testimony translated by Heat Street, a conservative site owned by News Corp., on Friday spotlights beheadings, gouged-out eyes, and sexual abuse at the Bataclan theater last year. The Islamic State terror attacks killed 130 across the city and 89 at the concert venue alone.
A translation provided by the website show France’s Commission of Inquiry asking an investigator about the remains of victims on the second floor of the theater. The questioner said that injuries attributed to shrapnel seem dubious given that one man had his testicles removed and placed in his mouth.
“Some of the bodies found at the Bataclan were extremely mutilated by the explosions and weapons, to the point that it was sometimes difficult to reconstruct the dismembered bodies,” an prosecutor said. “In other words, injuries described … may also have been caused by automatic weapons, by explosions or projections of nails and bolts that have resulted.”
“Would those have put a man’s [testicles] in in his own mouth?” the committee member fired back.
“I do not have that information,” the prosecutor replied
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