Brexit: EU considers migration ‘emergency brake’ for UK

[jjlynn27]

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

[alfie2244]

Brexit: EU considers migration ‘emergency brake’ for UK - Would be an Irony if the EU now offered an "emergency brake" had Dodgy Dave came back with this in his "negotiations" I doubt the vote would have been for OUT...we will never know though.

[s2art]

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

Glad you are entertained. But no, there is little more to the story. If you have a sponsor its easy. I simply asked him not to be thick, unlike you where its obvious that you dont have that option.

Edited by s2art on Wednesday 27th July 00:19

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

So not a option for most people who would want to work in Australia.

It was having skills that were required/being sponsored by a company. (Though not being a footballer. I'd have been lucky to get a job in this country if I relied on my ball skills ).

Obtaining skills that are required and/or approaching companies for sponsorship is very much open to everyone - I don't regard myself as anything out of the ordinary in any respect.

True, one cannot just float in and out of the countries noted in the hope of getting work. But I fail to see how that sort of labour is beneficial for anyone...

[Mrr T]

Murph7355 said:

It was having skills that were required/being sponsored by a company. (Though not being a footballer. I'd have been lucky to get a job in this country if I relied on my ball skills ).

Obtaining skills that are required and/or approaching companies for sponsorship is very much open to everyone - I don't regard myself as anything out of the ordinary in any respect.

True, one cannot just float in and out of the countries noted in the hope of getting work. But I fail to see how that sort of labour is beneficial for anyone...

So you have chosen not to answer my question. I hold a great professional qualification and have lots of experience but would never get a work visa to any of those countries because they would need to prove they could not recruit locally. Unlike in the EU where I can work easily.

[jjlynn27]

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

Glad you are entertained. But no, there is little more to the story. If you have a sponsor its easy. I simply asked him not to be thick, unlike you where its obvious that you dont have that option.

Edited by s2art on Wednesday 27th July 00:19

Thanks, you are providing entertainment in spades. Sponsorship doesn't work like that at all. Sponsor needs to pay enough wages so that you can reasonably support yourself.

You asked your nephew not to be thick?

[Mr_B]

alfie2244 said:

Brexit: EU considers migration ‘emergency brake’ for UK - Would be an Irony if the EU now offered an "emergency brake" had Dodgy Dave came back with this in his "negotiations" I doubt the vote would have been for OUT...we will never know though.

I have to admit, I was fully expecting him to come back with a migration con that would last a couple of years, but buy him enough support in the short term to help win the referendum, after which the deal could fall apart, just not doing anything etc etc, at which point everyone would have to accept the stay decision.
Looks like while he may have asked for something like that, Europe told him to go do one and yet expected a remain vote anyway. The EU tried to play hardball and spectacularly failed. Lets see how those French and German elections play out.

[Graemsay]

The Economist doesn't think that points based immigration schemes are a good idea.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/...

I'd add to the criticisms in the article that a lot of people arrive in Oz having one skill, and then work on something completely different. In which case, the country isn't getting what it needs.

Then there are allegedly skills shortages in one area, but incoming migrants find that there isn't actually work for them.

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

So you have chosen not to answer my question. I hold a great professional qualification and have lots of experience but would never get a work visa to any of those countries because they would need to prove they could not recruit locally. Unlike in the EU where I can work easily.

I'm not sure what more you want me to add...?

Have you ever tried getting a work visa for those countries? Has your employer any need to send you to those countries?

Controlled immigration is all about only admitting the skills and people you need in a country. Not admitting anyone who wants to come just because they want to come.

[Esseesse]

Graemsay said:

The Economist doesn't think that points based immigration schemes are a good idea.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/...

I'd add to the criticisms in the article that a lot of people arrive in Oz having one skill, and then work on something completely different. In which case, the country isn't getting what it needs.

Then there are allegedly skills shortages in one area, but incoming migrants find that there isn't actually work for them.

GDP/head is higher in Australia than here, can't be the end of the world.

Also what the country 'needs' is a matter of opinion surely? I have wondered recently with all the debate about wage suppression etc, if a shortage of lower skilled people is the most effective way to reduce wealth inequality (rather than redistribution through taxes which creates dependency etc).

[s2art]

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

Glad you are entertained. But no, there is little more to the story. If you have a sponsor its easy. I simply asked him not to be thick, unlike you where its obvious that you dont have that option.

Edited by s2art on Wednesday 27th July 00:19

Thanks, you are providing entertainment in spades. Sponsorship doesn't work like that at all. Sponsor needs to pay enough wages so that you can reasonably support yourself.

You asked your nephew not to be thick?

And the sponsor did. So what is your problem? Nephew not thick, thats your problem.

[fido]

Mrr T said:

So you have chosen not to answer my question. I hold a great professional qualification and have lots of experience but would never get a work visa to any of those countries because they would need to prove they could not recruit locally. Unlike in the EU where I can work easily.

Well you don't have very sought after skills then .. I don't have any 'great professional qualifications' but have been offered to work in Asia and the US. The 'would need to prove they could not recruit locally' can be worked around to some extent as it is not 100% objective. Even in the UK we still recruit from outside the EU - though obviously we would be able to get those skills from the EU with much less hassle.
As said above - have you actually tried because where there's a will .. ?

[Mrr T]

Murph7355 said:

Mrr T said:

So you have chosen not to answer my question. I hold a great professional qualification and have lots of experience but would never get a work visa to any of those countries because they would need to prove they could not recruit locally. Unlike in the EU where I can work easily.

I'm not sure what more you want me to add...?

Have you ever tried getting a work visa for those countries? Has your employer any need to send you to those countries?

Controlled immigration is all about only admitting the skills and people you need in a country. Not admitting anyone who wants to come just because they want to come.

So you finally say it you worked in those countries via international transfer for your employer. You did not go and find a job directly and then get a work visa. So very different to FMOL in the EU where I can apply for any job directly.

As for controlled immigrantion I assume you mean a bady run, inefficient and expensively scheme run by the government. As to the current EU FMOL which is a market solution. Efficient and cheap.

[davepoth]

Mrr T said:

So you finally say it you worked in those countries via international transfer for your employer. You did not go and find a job directly and then get a work visa. So very different to FMOL in the EU where I can apply for any job directly.

As for controlled immigrantion I assume you mean a bady run, inefficient and expensively scheme run by the government. As to the current EU FMOL which is a market solution. Efficient and cheap.

The EU system is not a market solution. It's a political solution designed to integrate the people of Europe and break down cultural barriers to promote ever closer union. That's how the EU works.

[Mrr T]

fido said:

Mrr T said:

So you have chosen not to answer my question. I hold a great professional qualification and have lots of experience but would never get a work visa to any of those countries because they would need to prove they could not recruit locally. Unlike in the EU where I can work easily.

Well you don't have very sought after skills then .. I don't have any 'great professional qualifications' but have been offered to work in Asia and the US. The 'would need to prove they could not recruit locally' can be worked around to some extent as it is not 100% objective. Even in the UK we still recruit from outside the EU - though obviously we would be able to get those skills from the EU with much less hassle.
As said above - have you actually tried because where there's a will .. ?

So I have worked outside the UK via international tranfer. That's very different to applying locally and then getting a work visa. I have spoken in the past to recruitment agents in 2 of the 3 jurisdictions mentioned by the poster and I was advised it was not even worth applying for a local jobs.

Very different to the EU where I can apply for any job.

[jjlynn27]

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

Glad you are entertained. But no, there is little more to the story. If you have a sponsor its easy. I simply asked him not to be thick, unlike you where its obvious that you dont have that option.

Edited by s2art on Wednesday 27th July 00:19

Thanks, you are providing entertainment in spades. Sponsorship doesn't work like that at all. Sponsor needs to pay enough wages so that you can reasonably support yourself.

You asked your nephew not to be thick?

And the sponsor did. So what is your problem? Nephew not thick, thats your problem.

Bwhahaha. You just keep giving. 'Hey nephew, don't be thick, you hear', 'Oh ok, but you know, we are related so there is the limit to which I can oblige'.

Is that from the same book as 'trading deal in few months, no problem' kind of bs? You just make things up, don't you?

Still funny.

[jjlynn27]

davepoth said:

The EU system is not a market solution. It's a political solution designed to integrate the people of Europe and break down cultural barriers to promote ever closer union. That's how the EU works.

How did you figure that out? If they don't get job, they go back. Seems very market to me.

[s2art]

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

jjlynn27 said:

s2art said:

He wasnt immigrating, just a temporary work visa. Anyway Oz wants lots of the right sort of people, the bar would be set higher in the UK.

Right sort of people? Footballer who needs to work as a barman to support himself? Seriously?
The only way that I can see him getting visa is 18-30 working holiday visa. Or there is something missing from the story.

We have a bar/points system from people from outside EU already, yet, they are contributing less than EU immigrants.
I loled that you are calling someone else thick. Very funny.

Glad you are entertained. But no, there is little more to the story. If you have a sponsor its easy. I simply asked him not to be thick, unlike you where its obvious that you dont have that option.

Edited by s2art on Wednesday 27th July 00:19

Thanks, you are providing entertainment in spades. Sponsorship doesn't work like that at all. Sponsor needs to pay enough wages so that you can reasonably support yourself.

You asked your nephew not to be thick?

And the sponsor did. So what is your problem? Nephew not thick, thats your problem.

Bwhahaha. You just keep giving. 'Hey nephew, don't be thick, you hear', 'Oh ok, but you know, we are related so there is the limit to which I can oblige'.

Is that from the same book as 'trading deal in few months, no problem' kind of bs? You just make things up, don't you?

Still funny.

LOL. You really are a bit 'special'. You want to put a bet that there will not be trade deals in place with countries such as Oz or NZ within months of Brexit? And no, I never make things up.

[jjlynn27]

s2art said:

LOL. You really are a bit 'special'. You want to put a bet that there will not be trade deals in place with countries such as Oz or NZ within months of Brexit? And no, I never make things up.

Backpedalling now? You claimed that deals can be negotiated in few months. Or '5 minutes with USA'. It was stupid then, it's stupid now. You were even disagreeing with dir-gen of WTO on WTO options available to UK.

So yes, you do make stuff up. 'Promising footballer sponsored by AUS football club, works as a barman, not because he can't make the ends meet, but because he enjoy social aspects' (And he was told 'don't be thick!')

Free quality entertainment.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

...the negotiators will have the problem of trying to satisfy both sides....

They don't have to satisfy any side. They have to try and get the best deal for Britain (or maybe England) which will probably mean compromising and upsetting everyone. Realistically if that means satisfying the right and middle ground at the expense of the left then so be it. The anti immigration left/poor will be upset no matter what, cos foreigners.