Dover Calais border crossing delays - deliberate?

Dover Calais border crossing delays - deliberate?

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Sheepshanks

32,752 posts

119 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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jeff m2 said:
DJFish said:
jeff m2 said:
As an expat who no longer drives to France, can someone explain why the French controls are on the Dover side?
I understand this would not reduce the blockage, but it would shift the parking lot to Calais nes pa.

Something we agreed to (without thinking it through)

The system of placing your border controls in the "other country" would surely stretch the resources of any normal country, even on a good day.
One benefit ( & I realise this sounds a bit UKIP) is that you can stop undesirables getting in at source, rather than having to bear the cost & complexity of dealing with them once they've entered your country, which is why the Mayor of Calais is so keen that the arrangements are revised.
The French seem to think that the UK are somehow responsible for the situation in Calais.
Makes sense, thank you.

Although normal procedure puts the onus on the Carrier to check the validity on ones entry to a destination, so we have immigration bods sitting in Calais doing the same thing I assume.
The US does the same thing in many places - Dublin airport, for example.

BigLion

1,497 posts

99 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I've travelled all over France and most of Europe and I've never had any issues, in fact my view is they are typically more well cultured than your typical english person.

s3fella

10,524 posts

187 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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r11co said:
s3fella said:
10 or 15 hour delays? People sleeping in their cars on the road?

Sorry, but bks! It's nothing like the nonsense they are causing on and around Dover.
Dover is a pinchpoint at the best of times. At the start of school holidays it is even worse. Couple that with increased vigilance and...

There are dozens of ways to cross into France from Germany, likewise Belgium, Italy etc. and I saw long queues at just four of them. Imagine all that traffic trying to get through one single point, because that's exactly what is happening at Dover.
And they had ONE fkING FRENCH tt doing all the passport checking at the whole of Dover Port on Friday night! ONE! And when the UK border guys were sent to help, they wouldn't let them check passports, so it still took the tt 40 minutes to do one fking coach!

The French are being tts. People should do a U turn and fk off to Skegness and spend their money there.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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BigLion said:
I've travelled all over France and most of Europe and I've never had any issues, in fact my view is they are typically more well cultured than your typical english person.
What is a typical English person as apposed to a typical French person.

BigLion

1,497 posts

99 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
BigLion said:
I've travelled all over France and most of Europe and I've never had any issues, in fact my view is they are typically more well cultured than your typical english person.
What is a typical English person as apposed to a typical French person.
If you're looking for a dictionary definition or a link to some statistical analysis which you can then pedantically try to counter, be ready to be disappointed - I'm talking about my experience over many decades of travelling.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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BigLion said:
If you're looking for a dictionary definition or a link to some statistical analysis which you can then pedantically try to counter, be ready to be disappointed - I'm talking about my experience over many decades of travelling.
So you have nothing to back up your assertion about English people and by the way many people have travelled and worked abroad its not unique these days

BigLion

1,497 posts

99 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
BigLion said:
If you're looking for a dictionary definition or a link to some statistical analysis which you can then pedantically try to counter, be ready to be disappointed - I'm talking about my experience over many decades of travelling.
So you have nothing to back up your assertion about English people and by the way many people have travelled and worked abroad its not unique these days
Like I've already said, a) no to your first question b) well done on stating the obvious re people travelling

Murph7355

37,711 posts

256 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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s3fella said:
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The French are being tts. ...
Quelle surprise biggrin

Our relationship goes back a long way and it has always been thus, and hopefully always will be smile

gtidriver

3,344 posts

187 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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I started another thread in the holidays section but will add here.last night I managed to get to the port in about an hour from Ramsgate,local knowledge of roads helped massively,the only person to check my passport was the lady on the p&o ferries checkin desk. I was probably in Luxembourg this morning whilst people where still queuing to get to the terminal.
The French have handled this enhanced security crisis in an appalling manor and in my opinion,this weekends fiasco was just to ps off the Brits.


Edited by gtidriver on Monday 25th July 00:29

gtidriver

3,344 posts

187 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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gtidriver

3,344 posts

187 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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gtidriver

3,344 posts

187 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Pics from my dashcam,as you can see as I drove up he shut his window. Shameful behaviour.

perdu

4,884 posts

199 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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DJFish said:
A rude waiter?,
In Paris?
I find that very hard to believe!

The speaking French thing only goes so far, there are aholes in every country....
No you really have to believe him.

I went to Paris once, only once, and I met him too yes

s3fella

10,524 posts

187 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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I'm loving how these goons seem to think they have SO much to offer in their wonderfully culturally enriched nations that us Brits will put up with stunts like this.

So much choice on the inent, granted. Shot or mowed down in France, blown up in Belgium, hatchetted to bits or touched up / raped in Germany? Just so much more choice for your holiday than staying in the UK.

Edited by s3fella on Monday 25th July 07:19

Wills2

22,807 posts

175 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

The French have lots of form for running around with lots of pomp and saluting, shutting all the stable doors long after the horse has wandered off.

They're just not very good at this stuff.






Cobnapint

8,627 posts

151 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Liberté, égalité, fraternité... nobody to check your British passporté.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Wills2 said:
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Don't rule malice out completely.

PositronicRay

27,010 posts

183 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
Wills2 said:
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Don't rule malice out completely.
If it was deliberate it was at a low level and local, only Dover affected.

bristolracer

5,540 posts

149 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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s3fella said:
So much choice on the inent, granted. Shot or mowed down in France, blown up in Belgium, hatchetted to bits or touched up / raped in Germany? Just so much more choice for your holiday than staying in the UK.

Edited by s3fella on Monday 25th July 07:19
There but for the grace........
We have just been lucky so far.
Something will happen here it's just a matter of time.
As Nice proves it doesn't have to be another 7/7 type scenario.
Any Western Europe country is at risk.

Smollet

10,563 posts

190 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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bristolracer said:
There but for the grace........
We have just been lucky so far.
Something will happen here it's just a matter of time.
As Nice proves it doesn't have to be another 7/7 type scenario.
Any Western Europe country is at risk.
Anywhere in the world is at risk