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s2art said:
You made the claim. Lets see you back it up.
Obviously, surveying that would be difficult, especially as many still hide their underlying racism.But I'd love to know where all those BNP supporters are who would have voted for continued immigration. It's opposed to their political ideals.
Trabi601 said:
s2art said:
You made the claim. Lets see you back it up.
Obviously, surveying that would be difficult, especially as many still hide their underlying racism.But I'd love to know where all those BNP supporters are who would have voted for continued immigration. It's opposed to their political ideals.
Trabi601 said:
s2art said:
You made the claim. Lets see you back it up.
Obviously, surveying that would be difficult, especially as many still hide their underlying racism.But I'd love to know where all those BNP supporters are who would have voted for continued immigration. It's opposed to their political ideals.
GG89 said:
It's slowly but surely getting to the stage where people aren't caring about being called racist as it's branded about so much for so little it will end up meaningless and redundant.
Every accuser should have to pay a £1, to be refunded twice over if justified. That will stop the lazy accusers abusing that term.s2art said:
Over 17 million voted for out. How many BNP supporters do you think there are?
Does it matter? The point is that, political ideals would mean that those who lean towards racism will have voted exit. That figure could be thousands, it could be millions.Politically, someone identifying as racist or xenophobic will have voted out.
But this is merely sidetracking the debate, where it seems to be acceptable to associate anyone brown and Muslim as a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathiser.
Trabi601 said:
Does it matter? The point is that, political ideals would mean that those who lean towards racism will have voted exit. That figure could be thousands, it could be millions.
Politically, someone identifying as racist or xenophobic will have voted out.
But this is merely sidetracking the debate, where it seems to be acceptable to associate anyone brown and Muslim as a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathiser.
I also include anyone who is white & muslim.Politically, someone identifying as racist or xenophobic will have voted out.
But this is merely sidetracking the debate, where it seems to be acceptable to associate anyone brown and Muslim as a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathiser.
Trabi601 said:
s2art said:
Over 17 million voted for out. How many BNP supporters do you think there are?
Does it matter? The point is that, political ideals would mean that those who lean towards racism will have voted exit. That figure could be thousands, it could be millions.Politically, someone identifying as racist or xenophobic will have voted out.
But this is merely sidetracking the debate, where it seems to be acceptable to associate anyone brown and Muslim as a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathiser.
s2art said:
Why did Scotland vote in then? Scotland has as many racists per head as England. (based upon social surveys which show Scottish attitudes/opinion is very similar to the English). More so if you consider the anti-English element in the SNP. So many Scottish racists must have voted for in.
You haven't thought about this properly.Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Ths is true here in the US, UK, France and Germany. Those liberal policies that let in refugees, that intel sources warned harbored jihadis, will rub stink of those nations' leaders, therefore, they won't call it terrorism. Too late IMO, the public has made up their mind.
There is another school of thought, and probably one that's not popular in this forum but here goes;Germany has accepted several hundred thousand refugees from Syria. These people have fled from a region which was being repeatedly bombed by various different factions and chances are that many of them have seen family and friends killed under pretty brutal circumstances. It's going to cost the German people a lot of money and effort to cope with the influx of refugees and it's probably going to cost Angela Merkel votes. But for some reason she thought it was the right thing to do. It's not going to benefit her personally, in fact it's likely to cost her in political terms but despite this she still went ahead and did it. And it seems from the public demonstrations that a lot of Germans support her.
Personally i think the Germans should be proud of living in a country that opens its borders to refugees fleeing (by all accounts) a pretty brutal war and offers them hope of a better life, and real leadership is making decisions that you feel are right, even though they may not be popular.
Trabi601 said:
s2art said:
Why did Scotland vote in then? Scotland has as many racists per head as England. (based upon social surveys which show Scottish attitudes/opinion is very similar to the English). More so if you consider the anti-English element in the SNP. So many Scottish racists must have voted for in.
You haven't thought about this properly.GG89 said:
MG CHRIS said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Ths is true here in the US, UK, France and Germany. Those liberal policies that let in refugees, that intel sources warned harbored jihadis, will rub stink of those nations' leaders, therefore, they won't call it terrorism. Too late IMO, the public has made up their mind.
There is another school of thought, and probably one that's not popular in this forum but here goes;Germany has accepted several hundred thousand refugees from Syria. These people have fled from a region which was being repeatedly bombed by various different factions and chances are that many of them have seen family and friends killed under pretty brutal circumstances. It's going to cost the German people a lot of money and effort to cope with the influx of refugees and it's probably going to cost Angela Merkel votes. But for some reason she thought it was the right thing to do. It's not going to benefit her personally, in fact it's likely to cost her in political terms but despite this she still went ahead and did it. And it seems from the public demonstrations that a lot of Germans support her.
Personally i think the Germans should be proud of living in a country that opens its borders to refugees fleeing (by all accounts) a pretty brutal war and offers them hope of a better life, and real leadership is making decisions that you feel are right, even though they may not be popular.
Trabi601 said:
GG89 said:
Brexit, Le Pen, Trump - monumental shifts are taking place all over the western world whilst the left bury their heads and scream RACIST!
Be fair, Le Pen and Trump are very openly racist. Not all Brexit voters are racist. But all racists who voted, voted for Brexit.We live in a difficult time - ISIS want to destroy our way of life, whilst the far right are playing right into their hands.
Trump vs ISIS is a significant threat to our way of life.
s3fella said:
stripy7 said:
Some perspective, in this country there is a knife attack every 4 mins equivalent to 130,000 per annum. Of those 22,000 are serious.
How many Machete attacks, you know, one of the weapons of choice of the barbaric medieval 
s?Machetes are used for cutting down thick undergrowth and saplings. Not lamb and chicken.
Trabi601 said:
We live in a difficult time - ISIS want to destroy our way of life,
I agree and have always stated this. However, there are some usual suspects on PH that would attack me for that, calling me ignorant and claiming that it is "western meddling" that makes them attack the west. They attack because we do not accept their version of Islam, plain and simple; and they think we deserve to die because of it. Now, on the part of your post I am unclear on; how would Trump vs. ISIS destroy your way of life?
Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 25th July 21:18
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