Conversion to religion

[Wayne E Edge]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why the animals on the ark didn't eat each other...

A better question is how much would a pair of every specie weigh? That's a lot of displacement. It would be possible to answer this.

[chrispmartha]

drainbrain said:

///ajd said:

What's his surprise? Is he going to hell or something?

Not a chance! A man who counts his blessings and is grateful for them as ardently as him? What's hell anyway apart from the feeling of being so far from the best feeling possible that it doesn't exist for you anymore. Naaaa. He'll just take a bit longer than most to wake up! After a life full of love and its satisfactions he'll be delighted to enjoy the same joy x a zillion, once he's done that moment of regret thing the nice ones always do…..He 's not anti-God. He's just in need of a better pair of spiritual specs

Or maybe he really is a bit of a selfish grumpy unkind old misery spreader…..

And in English?

[drainbrain]

SWoll said:

And as usual we have descended into the nonsensical, theological twaddle that always blights these threads.

Your words are so obviously smoke and mirrors designed to confuse the weak minded and gullible into thinking you might have an actual point it's embarrassing.

Don't tell me. You're another who has attained a deep and lasting satisfaction in life through travel music and family life. A satisfaction that it is 100% certain cannot be attained by anyone via spiritual means. And, let me guess. If the senses can't feel it or the mind (that is YOUR mind) comprehend it, it 100% doesn't exist. Right?

Sheesh! Spiritual virgins! Make me feel like a dirty old man...

[Einion Yrth]

chrispmartha said:

drainbrain said:

///ajd said:

What's his surprise? Is he going to hell or something?

Not a chance! A man who counts his blessings and is grateful for them as ardently as him? What's hell anyway apart from the feeling of being so far from the best feeling possible that it doesn't exist for you anymore. Naaaa. He'll just take a bit longer than most to wake up! After a life full of love and its satisfactions he'll be delighted to enjoy the same joy x a zillion, once he's done that moment of regret thing the nice ones always do…..He 's not anti-God. He's just in need of a better pair of spiritual specs

Or maybe he really is a bit of a selfish grumpy unkind old misery spreader…..

And in English?

He's happy in his beliefs and genuinely thinks that even we sinners will come to grace in time.?

Or he's barking...

You choose.

[///ajd]

drainbrain said:

///ajd said:

What's his surprise? Is he going to hell or something?

Not a chance! A man who counts his blessings and is grateful for them as ardently as him? What's hell anyway apart from the feeling of being so far from the best feeling possible that it doesn't exist for you anymore. Naaaa. He'll just take a bit longer than most to wake up! After a life full of love and its satisfactions he'll be delighted to enjoy the same joy x a zillion, once he's done that moment of regret thing the nice ones always do…..He 's not anti-God. He's just in need of a better pair of spiritual specs

Or maybe he really is a bit of a selfish grumpy unkind old misery spreader…..

So what you're saying is he won't go to hell as he is nice and that means he will find God eventually - who we now know doesn't mind late comers to the party after what he said about "paying people the same to work a day on the farm whether they started at 0800 or 1600 etc.".

Or he might go to hell if he is grumpy and presumably doesn't find God.

[jeff666]

Einion Yrth said:

He's happy in his beliefs and genuinely thinks that even we sinners will come to grace in time.?

Or he's barking...

You choose.

Woof Woof...

[drainbrain]

Right guys! We've had the whole range of stereotypes. God is bad coz kids die. God is bad coz he isn't like Santa. Scripture is nonsense. God doesn't exist. Believers are delusional. There's no such thing as spirituality. Materialism is all there is and is the only source of satisfaction. etc etc etc. Plus a small touch of militant atheism. And even the standard PH edge of personal insult.

The one missing bit is the explanation of where in Jesus teachings is there support for misogyny/homophobia/paedophilia/even some idea of raising taxes for God (rather than Caesar)??

Is the absence of evidence for this and unwillingness to produce it some kind of tacit admission that there is nothing in Jesus teachings to suggest any support or encouragement for either these things or any other of the world's horrors for which some PH imaginary version of "faith" is deemed to be responsible?

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 29th July 20:38

[chrispmartha]

drainbrain said:

Right guys! We've had the whole range of stereotypes. God is bad coz kids die. God is bad coz he isn't like Santa. Scripture is nonsense. God doesn't exist. Believers are delusional. There's no such thing as spirituality. Materialism is all there is and is the only source of satisfaction. etc etc etc. Plus a small touch of militant atheism. And even the standard PH edge of personal insult.

The one missing bit is the explanation of where in Jesus teachings is there support for misogyny/homophobia/paedophilia/even some idea of raising taxes for God (rather than Caesar)??

Is the absence of evidence for this and unwillingness to produce it some kind of tacit admission that there is nothing in Jesus teachings to suggest any support or encouragement for either these things or any other of the world's horrors for which some PH imaginary version of "faith" is deemed to be responsible?

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 29th July 20:38

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

[Einion Yrth]

drainbrain said:

The one missing bit is the explanation of where in Jesus teachings is there support for misogyny/homophobia/paedophilia/even some idea of raising taxes for God (rather than Caesar)??

I really don't care enough to try and find it. Other's mileage may vary. I'm pretty sure that "Jesus Christ" is a composite of previous beliefs, rather than an individual (whether divine or not) anyways. You believe whatever makes you happy, and I'm fine with that, just so long as you don't expect me to join in.

[anonymous-user]

chrispmartha said:

drainbrain said:

Right guys! We've had the whole range of stereotypes. God is bad coz kids die. God is bad coz he isn't like Santa. Scripture is nonsense. God doesn't exist. Believers are delusional. There's no such thing as spirituality. Materialism is all there is and is the only source of satisfaction. etc etc etc. Plus a small touch of militant atheism. And even the standard PH edge of personal insult.

The one missing bit is the explanation of where in Jesus teachings is there support for misogyny/homophobia/paedophilia/even some idea of raising taxes for God (rather than Caesar)??

Is the absence of evidence for this and unwillingness to produce it some kind of tacit admission that there is nothing in Jesus teachings to suggest any support or encouragement for either these things or any other of the world's horrors for which some PH imaginary version of "faith" is deemed to be responsible?

Edited by drainbrain on Friday 29th July 20:38

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

You could begin by answering the question, perhaps?

[drainbrain]

chrispmartha said:

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

Answer it! Preferably from your extensive knowledge of scripture and his teachings.

Where does The Lord propagate evil?

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

What's his surprise? Is he going to hell or something?

You've an infatuation with hell, always going on about it on this thread. I know you think we're all going to hell in a handcart for voting leave but you do push it a bit far!

[Einion Yrth]

drainbrain said:

chrispmartha said:

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

Answer it! Preferably from your extensive knowledge of scripture and his teachings.

Where does The Lord propagate evil?

Matthew 5:17 effectively includes the old testament into the new covenant.

Do I need to go find all the nasty st in the O.T.?

[drainbrain]

Einion Yrth said:

I really don't care enough to try and find it. Other's mileage may vary. I'm pretty sure that "Jesus Christ" is a composite of previous beliefs, rather than an individual (whether divine or not) anyways. You believe whatever makes you happy, and I'm fine with that, just so long as you don't expect me to join in.

That's a bit like the reaction The Lord got when he invited the baying mob to cast the first stone. Nothing new there then.

Next?

[Einion Yrth]

drainbrain said:

Einion Yrth said:

I really don't care enough to try and find it. Other's mileage may vary. I'm pretty sure that "Jesus Christ" is a composite of previous beliefs, rather than an individual (whether divine or not) anyways. You believe whatever makes you happy, and I'm fine with that, just so long as you don't expect me to join in.

That's a bit like the reaction The Lord got when he invited the baying mob to cast the first stone. Nothing new there then.

Next?

What? It's not even expressed in the same language.

[chrispmartha]

drainbrain said:

chrispmartha said:

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

Answer it! Preferably from your extensive knowledge of scripture and his teachings.

Where does The Lord propagate evil?

Give me some evidence for the existence of 'The Lord' and 'Jesus' being the son of said lord first.

I do not need to give you evidence for anything, i'm not the one making claims about gods and sons of gods, the ball is firmly in your court.

[drainbrain]

Einion Yrth said:

Matthew 5:17 effectively includes the old testament into the new covenant.

Do I need to go find all the nasty st in the O.T.?

We did THAT one hours ago. Scroll back and read.

And if you can find Jesus teachings in the OT you'll have done something miraculous.

[drainbrain]

chrispmartha said:

drainbrain said:

chrispmartha said:

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

Answer it! Preferably from your extensive knowledge of scripture and his teachings.

Where does The Lord propagate evil?

Give me some evidence for the existence of 'The Lord' and 'Jesus' being the son of said lord first.

I do not need to give you evidence for anything, i'm not the one making claims about gods and sons of gods, the ball is firmly in your court.

So that's another na na na na naaaa answer. Nope. No cigar.

Next?

[chrispmartha]

drainbrain said:

chrispmartha said:

drainbrain said:

chrispmartha said:

A religious person questioning the absence of evidence... I'm not even sure where to begin with that one

Answer it! Preferably from your extensive knowledge of scripture and his teachings.

Where does The Lord propagate evil?

Give me some evidence for the existence of 'The Lord' and 'Jesus' being the son of said lord first.

I do not need to give you evidence for anything, i'm not the one making claims about gods and sons of gods, the ball is firmly in your court.

So that's another na na na na naaaa answer. Nope. No cigar.

Next?

What is the question you want me to answer?

Have you got sny evidence for this god of yours or not?

[Einion Yrth]

drainbrain said:

We did THAT one hours ago. Scroll back and read.

I didn't. I've been elsewhere, why should I go to the trouble of "scrolling back" to observe your "sloppy seconds". Oh and plus 1 for the rather feeble straw man argument at the end of your post.