Knife attack outside Tokyo

[FWIW]

PZR said:

Such as?

Sarin attacks on the subway.

[FWIW]

J4CKO said:

5ohmustang said:

Knife control! Ban all assault knives.

Every country has dangerous nutters, generally better when they don't have access to guns, however, given the targets it is unlikely they could escape sadly.

Knive serve other purposes, guns don't, claiming the moral high ground because another country has had a massacre seems a bit desperate, doesn't justify or change anything.

He's being sarcastic. He's a pro-gun nut job.

[PZR]

FWIW said:

PZR said:

Such as?

Sarin attacks on the subway.

How does that isolated and extraordinary incident relate to "...times and places in the 90s that you'd generally avoid in Tokyo..."?

[AJL308]

J4CKO said:

5ohmustang said:

Knife control! Ban all assault knives.

Every country has dangerous nutters, generally better when they don't have access to guns, however, given the targets it is unlikely they could escape sadly.

Knive serve other purposes, guns don't, claiming the moral high ground because another country has had a massacre seems a bit desperate, doesn't justify or change anything.

Simply untrue. You had a reasonably well structured argument until you included that.

[FredClogs]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/toky...

Sounds like a care worker reached the end of his caring tether, he's handed himself into police saying "It's better that disabled people just disappear"

[jjlynn27]

J4CKO said:

Every country has dangerous nutters, generally better when they don't have access to guns, however, given the targets it is unlikely they could escape sadly.

Knive serve other purposes, guns don't, claiming the moral high ground because another country has had a massacre seems a bit desperate, doesn't justify or change anything.

Precisely. One just had to look at the number of gun crimes in States to see how ridiculous 'pro-gun' argument is. Unsurprisingly, most vocal 'pro-gun' campaigners are invariably the last people that you'd want to posses guns.

[Oakey]

FredClogs said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/toky...

Sounds like a care worker reached the end of his caring tether, he's handed himself into police saying "It's better that disabled people just disappear"

Guardian said:

Authorities said Uematsu had been “involuntarily committed” to hospital on 19 February, after police in the town of Tsukui contacted him in response to a letter he had attempted to pass to the speaker of the lower house of Japan’s parliament.

In the letter, Uematsu argued that the government should permit euthanasia for disabled people, said he would be willing to carry out such killings himself, and detailed how he would do it.

“I envision a world where a person with multiple disabilities can be euthanised, with an agreement from the guardians, when it is difficult for the person to carry out household and social activities,” the letter said.

Uematsu’s letter said he could “wipe out a total of 470 disabled individuals” by targeting two facilities for disabled people during the night shift, “when staffing is low”.

He sounds like a stable individual, is he a PH'er?

[PoleDriver]

FredClogs said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/toky...

Sounds like a care worker reached the end of his caring tether, he's handed himself into police saying "It's better that disabled people just disappear"

Didn't some Austrian guy come up with that notion in the '30's?

[J4CKO]

AJL308 said:

Simply untrue. You had a reasonably well structured argument until you included that.

Oh come on, guns are for killing stuff, aside from people who need to kill stuff as part of their job, who actually needs a gun ?

Slaughtermen
Gamekeepers
People who use it to kill animals for food

Er, struggling here, how did humans ever evolve without firearms, guns weren't actually invented until about 700 years ago.

Most hunting is recreational, the people who rely on the gun for food is probably statistically irrelevant and other methods can be used, snares and stuff.

Knives have been found made from flint, by early humans and they managed for hundreds of thousands of years, sure it wasn't easy but they managed without a gun.

[FlyingMeeces]

Oakey said:

FredClogs said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/toky...

Sounds like a care worker reached the end of his caring tether, he's handed himself into police saying "It's better that disabled people just disappear"

Guardian said:

Authorities said Uematsu had been “involuntarily committed” to hospital on 19 February, after police in the town of Tsukui contacted him in response to a letter he had attempted to pass to the speaker of the lower house of Japan’s parliament.

In the letter, Uematsu argued that the government should permit euthanasia for disabled people, said he would be willing to carry out such killings himself, and detailed how he would do it.

“I envision a world where a person with multiple disabilities can be euthanised, with an agreement from the guardians, when it is difficult for the person to carry out household and social activities,” the letter said.

Uematsu’s letter said he could “wipe out a total of 470 disabled individuals” by targeting two facilities for disabled people during the night shift, “when staffing is low”.

He sounds like a stable individual, is he a PH'er?

"When it is difficult for the person to carry out […] activities"

Sounds like he'd have got on well with Karl Brandt and the Aktion T4 lot.

19 disabled people now dead, number may rise.

[Sam All]

[irocfan]

Oakey said:

He sounds like a stable individual, is he a PH'er?

nah - he's not just a keyboard warrior just a .


I have to say that when I read the headline on the news my 1st thought was "Japan, WTF?". I'll be honest and say that before reading the article I had a fleeting moment where I did wonder if it might be IS related but then discounted it, which was borne out by the article

[Murph7355]

PZR said:

Such as?

Kabukicho. And even certain parts of Roppongi (though there more for the potential for hassle from non-Japanese!).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Japan and the Japanese, and definitely felt both welcome and safe there on the three occasions I've lived there. And the places noted above were very different when I went 2004/5 versus the mid-nineties. But it would be wrong to think Japan is immune from whack jobs and trouble (evidently).

(And yes, there are places in London I wouldn't be inclined to venture at certain times of day too Stockwell, for instance, used to be a very interesting place at 0100 on a Friday and Saturday night).

[MartynVRS]

Was in Japan for almost 3 weeks, spent most of it in Tokyo seeing Akihabara, Ginza, Shibuya, etc. Went up to Nikko to see shrines, then saw the GP in Suzuka while staying in Nagoya. Nagoya is a bit rough in comparison to the rest of it (had a McLaren dealer opening soon though) but at no point did I ever feel unsafe. There are nut jobs everywhere and there's certainly some unique characters in Japan. Although I did walk over a bridge not that long after someone had set themselves on fire protesting about the Government.

[Cyder]

Murph7355 said:

PZR said:

Such as?

Kabukicho. And even certain parts of Roppongi (though there more for the potential for hassle from non-Japanese!).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Japan and the Japanese, and definitely felt both welcome and safe there on the three occasions I've lived there. And the places noted above were very different when I went 2004/5 versus the mid-nineties. But it would be wrong to think Japan is immune from whack jobs and trouble (evidently).

(And yes, there are places in London I wouldn't be inclined to venture at certain times of day too Stockwell, for instance, used to be a very interesting place at 0100 on a Friday and Saturday night).

Kabukicho is certainly interesting I'll give you that, arguably the only place in Japan I felt unsure as some huge black guy got quite arsey trying to convince me that I wanted to visit a certain bar. There's also numerous stories of guys ending up in bars there and leaving some hours later with no wallet or an empty bank account.

I didn't have any concern with Roppongi but didn't spend so much time there.

You're right of course, nowhere is 100% immune from this kind of thing, and it would be naïve to think there's no criminal element at work in Japan too (used to see many shady looking characters near my apartment in Atsugi at night) but it's hard to imagine people being attacked there such is the nature of the people.

On the balance I'd be much happier walking around any part of Tokyo or Tokyo bay area at night on my own with £1000's in my pocket than anywhere else in the world I can think of.

[PZR]

Cyder said:

Murph7355 said:

PZR said:

Such as?

Kabukicho. And even certain parts of Roppongi (though there more for the potential for hassle from non-Japanese!).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Japan and the Japanese, and definitely felt both welcome and safe there on the three occasions I've lived there. And the places noted above were very different when I went 2004/5 versus the mid-nineties. But it would be wrong to think Japan is immune from whack jobs and trouble (evidently).

(And yes, there are places in London I wouldn't be inclined to venture at certain times of day too Stockwell, for instance, used to be a very interesting place at 0100 on a Friday and Saturday night).

Kabukicho is certainly interesting I'll give you that, arguably the only place in Japan I felt unsure as some huge black guy got quite arsey trying to convince me that I wanted to visit a certain bar. There's also numerous stories of guys ending up in bars there and leaving some hours later with no wallet or an empty bank account.

I didn't have any concern with Roppongi but didn't spend so much time there.

You're right of course, nowhere is 100% immune from this kind of thing, and it would be naïve to think there's no criminal element at work in Japan too (used to see many shady looking characters near my apartment in Atsugi at night) but it's hard to imagine people being attacked there such is the nature of the people.

On the balance I'd be much happier walking around any part of Tokyo or Tokyo bay area at night on my own with £1000's in my pocket than anywhere else in the world I can think of.

Agreed. I was thinking more along the lines of danger to life rather than the possibility of getting roughed up a bit. I've got the best part of 30 years experience of Japan, including a few years living and working there, and have never experienced the worry of losing my life through violence. A random attack seems such a remote possibility that it's not worth worrying about.

[AJL308]

jjlynn27 said:

J4CKO said:

Every country has dangerous nutters, generally better when they don't have access to guns, however, given the targets it is unlikely they could escape sadly.

Knive serve other purposes, guns don't, claiming the moral high ground because another country has had a massacre seems a bit desperate, doesn't justify or change anything.

Precisely. One just had to look at the number of gun crimes in States to see how ridiculous 'pro-gun' argument is. Unsurprisingly, most vocal 'pro-gun' campaigners are invariably the last people that you'd want to posses guns.

There are other countries which have as high or higher rates of gun ownership than the US but don't have a significant problem with gun crime.

It is cultural. Americans are simply more violent and tend to treat each other worse.

[jjlynn27]

AJL308 said:

There are other countries which have as high or higher rates of gun ownership than the US but don't have a significant problem with gun crime.

Which other countries?

AJL308 said:

It is cultural. Americans are simply more violent and tend to treat each other worse.

They'd have significantly less deaths if they were to ban/reduce gun ownership per capita. You just need to look at the gun ownership per state and corresponding number of deaths.

5ohmustang (spelling) and you, are main proponents of gun ownership here. From posts on ph, both of you seem pretty unstable, to put it very mildly.

[AJL308]

J4CKO said:

AJL308 said:

Simply untrue. You had a reasonably well structured argument until you included that.

Oh come on, guns are for killing stuff, aside from people who need to kill stuff as part of their job, who actually needs a gun ?

Slaughtermen
Gamekeepers
People who use it to kill animals for food

Er, struggling here, how did humans ever evolve without firearms, guns weren't actually invented until about 700 years ago.

Most hunting is recreational, the people who rely on the gun for food is probably statistically irrelevant and other methods can be used, snares and stuff.

Knives have been found made from flint, by early humans and they managed for hundreds of thousands of years, sure it wasn't easy but they managed without a gun.

The quote was that knives serve a purpose but guns don't. That is quite simply untrue.

[greygoose]

5ohmustang said:

J4CKO said:

Every country has dangerous nutters, generally better when they don't have access to guns, however, given the targets it is unlikely they could escape sadly.

Knive serve other purposes, guns don't, claiming the moral high ground because another country has had a massacre seems a bit desperate, doesn't justify or change anything.

State 6 J4CKO. Your opinion is invalid. Guns are used for self defence, hunting, competitive shooting and for the basic fact that they are just damn fun to shoot.. I used to be antigun like you. Until I realized how brainwashed British culture is.

Hopefully no one on here is a victim of crime, for the police will not be there when minutes become hours. st is hitting the fan and your pussified mentality that you anti gunners hold are going to make you a victim. I am so grateful to the founding fathers for their insight, now I have to means to protect myself and my family can protect themselves. I see how a gun less Europe is working out for you.

And the rest of the world can see how things work out in the USA, multiple mass gun shootings, angry teenagers shooting classmates, toddlers getting their mother's gun out of her handbag and shooting her, kids shooting kids because guns aren't secured in the home etc etc.