Normandy church attack
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anonymous said:
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I thought why?Oh. Nice appreciative barstewards!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/syrian-refuge...
s p a c e m a n said:
Can't we just make practicing religion illegal. The hardcore followers can move to a country of their choice and then the rest of us can get on with life.
Do people think before they post rubbish like this. Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
Eric Mc said:
A rather extreme "solution". Indeed, you could put the word "Final" before the word "solution". Now, where did I hear that expression before?
Butvthats exactly what will happen if its left to fester. We've clearly gone too far in the liberal direction, we need to actually get some balls and start doing things. Half of these attackers should not have been in society. People rejected for asylum, illegals, people subject to deportation and people with clear links to terror organizations need to be removed immediately, not left to do as they please. Europe is also over run with petty criminals from Africa and the Middle-East, it needs to be cleaned upjjlynn27 said:
Do people think before they post rubbish like this.
Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
Don't you ever wonder how advanced we'd be if so many didn't believe in sky fairies?Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
I'm not saying it should be illegal, but I can't help but think if someone dreamt up that s
t now, they'd be put in a padded cell.TheGuru said:
Eric Mc said:
A rather extreme "solution". Indeed, you could put the word "Final" before the word "solution". Now, where did I hear that expression before?
Butvthats exactly what will happen if its left to fester. We've clearly gone too far in the liberal direction, we need to actually get some balls and start doing things. Half of these attackers should not have been in society. People rejected for asylum, illegals, people subject to deportation and people with clear links to terror organizations need to be removed immediately, not left to do as they please. Europe is also over run with petty criminals from Africa and the Middle-East, it needs to be cleaned upBoydie88 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Do people think before they post rubbish like this.
Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
Don't you ever wonder how advanced we'd be if so many didn't believe in sky fairies?Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
I'm not saying it should be illegal, but I can't help but think if someone dreamt up that s
t now, they'd be put in a padded cell.The point is if you make it illegal you be doing what ISIS et al are praying (!) for. You couldn't imagine better recruitment tool. Not so long ago some tard invented Scientology, made s
t loads of money out of it. Boydie88 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Do people think before they post rubbish like this.
Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
Don't you ever wonder how advanced we'd be if so many didn't believe in sky fairies?Do you actually think that making practice of religion illegal would achieve anything?
Apart from doing cracking PR job for the ISIS and alike.
I'm not saying it should be illegal, but I can't help but think if someone dreamt up that s
t now, they'd be put in a padded cell.This is why all religions are generally old, new ones are usually called "Cults" but anything very old is regarded with reverence and respect, see it on here about old cars like some old BMW was the ultimate and new stuff is "White Goods", sometimes there is some truth in it but it becomes
so venerated it is treated as gospel, see, even the word gospel means its the truth, when in actual fact it was some words, written by a bloke 2500 years ago, so it must be true.
J4CKO said:
Yeah, Jesus would probably be sectioned, the second coming may actually be locked in Broadmoor, doing miracles must have been easier then, we are all immune to stuff now and CGI means anything can be faked.
This is why all religions are generally old, new ones are usually called "Cults" but anything very old is regarded with reverence and respect, see it on here about old cars like some old BMW was the ultimate and new stuff is "White Goods", sometimes there is some truth in it but it becomes
so venerated it is treated as gospel, see, even the word gospel means its the truth, when in actual fact it was some words, written by a bloke 2500 years ago, so it must be true.
Jesus was just an early example of Dynamo, he walked on water, turned water into wine.This is why all religions are generally old, new ones are usually called "Cults" but anything very old is regarded with reverence and respect, see it on here about old cars like some old BMW was the ultimate and new stuff is "White Goods", sometimes there is some truth in it but it becomes
so venerated it is treated as gospel, see, even the word gospel means its the truth, when in actual fact it was some words, written by a bloke 2500 years ago, so it must be true.
Basically he was way ahead of his time.
jjlynn27 said:
No, I don't wonder about things that are not practical, it's usually waste of time. As an atheist, I don't understand religion or need for it.
The point is if you make it illegal you be doing what ISIS et al are praying (!) for. You couldn't imagine better recruitment tool. Not so long ago some tard invented Scientology, made st loads of money out of it.
I get your point about Scientology, I guess it highlights the level of stupid in the human race. To not wonder about things down to 'practicality' is hardly a waste of time - I guess it depends on what side of the fence you fall with this Arthur C Clarke quote:The point is if you make it illegal you be doing what ISIS et al are praying (!) for. You couldn't imagine better recruitment tool. Not so long ago some tard invented Scientology, made s
t loads of money out of it. “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
anonymous said:
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Things are going to get worse before they get better. I reckon life is a pendulum, and the pendulum swung too far lib/left. It's getting a pretty large shove the other way now...
Boydie88 said:
I get your point about Scientology, I guess it highlights the level of stupid in the human race. To not wonder about things down to 'practicality' is hardly a waste of time - I guess it depends on what side of the fence you fall with this Arthur C Clarke quote:
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
Practicality was wrong word, I don't waste time on what ifs. Religion is there, you can't de-invent it.“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
It took two ISIS "soldiers"(yes, that's what ISIS called them) to kill an 84 year old Catholic priest. An old man in robes, against 2 thugs with knives.. thugs who claim ultimately to believe in the same God.
I don't know why (I'm not catholic, nor am I religious) but this has affected me profoundly. I can get a grip on the existence of suicide bombers and truck murderers.. I can even get my head around the lone wolf type stuff.... but this? For two (or more?) people to plan and carry out such an attack against a (by all accounts much loved) defenceless old man is beneath anything human.
I know that old and young suffer in conflicts, but to be targeted in this way? If they did indeed behead him (as some reports have suggested) then I really do feel that right now would be a good time for some good Muslim people to speak out. I have never asked for this before, and I know how the usual posters will respond, but it is what I want to see now. I feel anger, revulsion and I have to say that I feel as though something has changed for me. I don't know what it is, but something,somewhere inside, a line has been crossed.
Maybe, by making me so angry, ISIS just won a little victory... but right now, the apologists for this evil have to stop, and action has to start.
I don't know why (I'm not catholic, nor am I religious) but this has affected me profoundly. I can get a grip on the existence of suicide bombers and truck murderers.. I can even get my head around the lone wolf type stuff.... but this? For two (or more?) people to plan and carry out such an attack against a (by all accounts much loved) defenceless old man is beneath anything human.
I know that old and young suffer in conflicts, but to be targeted in this way? If they did indeed behead him (as some reports have suggested) then I really do feel that right now would be a good time for some good Muslim people to speak out. I have never asked for this before, and I know how the usual posters will respond, but it is what I want to see now. I feel anger, revulsion and I have to say that I feel as though something has changed for me. I don't know what it is, but something,somewhere inside, a line has been crossed.
Maybe, by making me so angry, ISIS just won a little victory... but right now, the apologists for this evil have to stop, and action has to start.
br d said:
We tolerate the intolerant so we don't become intolerant like them.
Pretty difficult to see how else we should act if we consider ourselves civilised and liberal.
Can't see it ending well though.
Sadly, I'd have to agree with Karl Popper the German Scientist-Philosopher, on that one...Pretty difficult to see how else we should act if we consider ourselves civilised and liberal.
Can't see it ending well though.
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”
dandarez said:
anonymous said:
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I thought why?Oh. Nice appreciative barstewards!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/syrian-refuge...
jjlynn27 said:
Boydie88 said:
I get your point about Scientology, I guess it highlights the level of stupid in the human race. To not wonder about things down to 'practicality' is hardly a waste of time - I guess it depends on what side of the fence you fall with this Arthur C Clarke quote:
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
Practicality was wrong word, I don't waste time on what ifs. Religion is there, you can't de-invent it.“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
andymadmak said:
I really do feel that right now would be a good time for some good Muslim people to speak out.
Ok. But what do you really mean by this? Do you mean an official statement from some senior Imans? Or a march/statement by 'everyday' Muslims stating it's not in their name? If the latter, then how many Muslims would you want to see on the march or signing the petition in order to feel that a decent point had been made? Do you accept that to many Muslims this suimply isn't 'their problem' (from their POV) and that they might feel a bit picked on if they are expected to condemn the actions of a group of people who simply share a religion with them - especially when other groups (say, Catholics and child abuse) are not expected to do so.I'm genuinly curious as you're right, people do ask for this sort of 'response' a lot, and the reason that people like me question it is I'm really not sure that 'Muslims' are going to be able to do enough to convince some people that they aren't all terrorist sympathisers.
dandarez said:
anonymous said:
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I thought why?Oh. Nice appreciative barstewards!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/syrian-refuge...
The actual story is more like "Daily Mail hack (they ran the story initially I believe) turns up, twists the words of a non-native speaker with broken English and makes them out to be ungrateful when in reality, poor bloke is really grateful to the locals who have welcomed them but just wants an opportunity to get some work and move on with life".
Honestly, it's a hatchet job. But is lovely but there's f
k all work there and it's daft idea to settle asylum-seekers there. These guys have actually fitted in really well and are well-liked about the place.Disastrous said:
dandarez said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
I thought why?Oh. Nice appreciative barstewards!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/syrian-refuge...
The actual story is more like "Daily Mail hack (they ran the story initially I believe) turns up, twists the words of a non-native speaker with broken English and makes them out to be ungrateful when in reality, poor bloke is really grateful to the locals who have welcomed them but just wants an opportunity to get some work and move on with life".
Honestly, it's a hatchet job. But is lovely but there's f
k all work there and it's daft idea to settle asylum-seekers there. These guys have actually fitted in really well and are well-liked about the place.The Article said:
He also revealed that after feeling “humiliated” by council staff, he drank a whole bottle of whisky as part of a failed suicide attempt.
If he could just do that as not part of a suicide attempt, I'm sure he could fit in pretty well.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff