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hstewie said:
hstewie said: What's the point of tagging someone who travelled to Syria to fight, got sent back, got put in jail for it, then got let out on a tag but is allowed out unsupervised between 8.30am and 12.30pm? 
This one's a new low even by current standards, utterly abhorrent.
Someone has the blood of an elderly priest on their hands.This one's a new low even by current standards, utterly abhorrent.
I think any right-minded person struggle at why someone in that situation would ever have been on the streets.
This isn't one of those "Known to the authorities but didn't actually do anything" cases, this is about as clear cut an example of "should have been in jail" as I can think of.
This isn't one of those "Known to the authorities but didn't actually do anything" cases, this is about as clear cut an example of "should have been in jail" as I can think of.
One in four British Muslims sympathise with terrorists behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks, a new poll shows.
Some 20 per cent say Western society is incompatible with Islam.
Baroness Warsi, the former Foreign Office minister, said the level of sympathy for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks was "worrying".
She said the decision to abandon an annual survey of different communities across the UK as part of cost-cutting had left Whitehall without the comparative detail needed to understand sentiment.
Some 20 per cent say Western society is incompatible with Islam.
Baroness Warsi, the former Foreign Office minister, said the level of sympathy for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks was "worrying".
She said the decision to abandon an annual survey of different communities across the UK as part of cost-cutting had left Whitehall without the comparative detail needed to understand sentiment.
‘Our findings will shock many people,’ promised Trevor Phillips at the beginning of What British Muslims Really Think (Channel 4, Wednesday).
But the depressing thing is that I doubt they will, actually. I think the general British public have known for some time what Phillips’s documentary professed to find surprising: that large numbers of Muslims don’t want to integrate, that their views aren’t remotely enlightened, and that more than a few of them sympathise with terrorism. It’s only the establishment elite that has ever pretended otherwise.
As former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Phillips was very much part of that elite. He commissioned the 1997 Runnymede report that popularised the word ‘Islamophobia’. The fact that so impeccably liberal a figure is now issuing a mea culpa like this speaks volumes about how dire the situation has grown. ‘Everyone who has pinned their hopes on the rise of reforming and liberal British Muslim voices are in for a disappointment,’ said Phillips. ‘These voices are nowhere near as numerous as they need to be to make an impact.
But the depressing thing is that I doubt they will, actually. I think the general British public have known for some time what Phillips’s documentary professed to find surprising: that large numbers of Muslims don’t want to integrate, that their views aren’t remotely enlightened, and that more than a few of them sympathise with terrorism. It’s only the establishment elite that has ever pretended otherwise.
As former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Phillips was very much part of that elite. He commissioned the 1997 Runnymede report that popularised the word ‘Islamophobia’. The fact that so impeccably liberal a figure is now issuing a mea culpa like this speaks volumes about how dire the situation has grown. ‘Everyone who has pinned their hopes on the rise of reforming and liberal British Muslim voices are in for a disappointment,’ said Phillips. ‘These voices are nowhere near as numerous as they need to be to make an impact.
Here are the stats to prove it: 52 per cent of Britain’s three million Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal; 39 per cent think a woman should always obey her husband; 18 per cent sympathise with people who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet; 4 per cent — that equates to about 100,000 Muslims — have ‘sympathy for people who take part in suicide bombing to fight injustice’. Oh, and if any of them knew someone was involved in supporting terrorism in Syria, just one in three would report it to the police. The other two million, then, would keep schtum.
Normally the PC response to these surveys is to shoot the messenger, as the BBC and the Guardian and the usual dhimmi apologists did last year, when the Sun revealed that one in four British Muslims sympathised with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo killers. They’ll find it harder this time, not just because Phillips is black and probably reads the Guardian, but also because the survey was so thorough. It was conducted, face to face, by people of the same religion. And when it came to the really tricky question — the one about terrorism — a blank envelope was provided for the answer, so that respondents felt freer to say what they really thought.
There wasn’t much to disagree with in this brave and honest programme, except for the odd momentary lapse, as when Phillips said, of Islamophobia, ‘I’ve no doubt that most of it emanates from sheer blind prejudice.’ I doubt even he believes that excuse any more. It was just a legacy of the kind of language all public figures were pretty much forced to use about the Religion of Peace till quite recently — Cameron showing the way with that disingenuous speech about ‘moderate and reforming voices who speak for the vast majority of Muslims’.
Normally the PC response to these surveys is to shoot the messenger, as the BBC and the Guardian and the usual dhimmi apologists did last year, when the Sun revealed that one in four British Muslims sympathised with the motives of the Charlie Hebdo killers. They’ll find it harder this time, not just because Phillips is black and probably reads the Guardian, but also because the survey was so thorough. It was conducted, face to face, by people of the same religion. And when it came to the really tricky question — the one about terrorism — a blank envelope was provided for the answer, so that respondents felt freer to say what they really thought.
There wasn’t much to disagree with in this brave and honest programme, except for the odd momentary lapse, as when Phillips said, of Islamophobia, ‘I’ve no doubt that most of it emanates from sheer blind prejudice.’ I doubt even he believes that excuse any more. It was just a legacy of the kind of language all public figures were pretty much forced to use about the Religion of Peace till quite recently — Cameron showing the way with that disingenuous speech about ‘moderate and reforming voices who speak for the vast majority of Muslims’.
Educate who and about what though ?
Muslims ?
Education and intelligence seems to have no bearing on whether people decide to go to Syria.
You can't rewrite the Koran, or try to tell people it is not the word of God, that would upset the good Muslims. The book is perfect.
The non muslim population - about what ?
Western politicians ?
Perhaps get them to stop spouting out the same nonsense and start addressing / openly discussing the issue ?
Muslims ?
Education and intelligence seems to have no bearing on whether people decide to go to Syria.
You can't rewrite the Koran, or try to tell people it is not the word of God, that would upset the good Muslims. The book is perfect.
The non muslim population - about what ?
Western politicians ?
Perhaps get them to stop spouting out the same nonsense and start addressing / openly discussing the issue ?
del mar said:
Educate who and about what though ?
Muslims ?
Education and intelligence seems to have no bearing on whether people decide to go to Syria.
You can't rewrite the Koran, or try to tell people it is not the word of God, that would upset the good Muslims. The book is perfect.
The non muslim population - about what ?
Western politicians ?
Perhaps get them to stop spouting out the same nonsense and start addressing / openly discussing the issue ?
The radical Islamic problems are driven by the Arabs, they know that educated women leads to educated children. Muslims ?
Education and intelligence seems to have no bearing on whether people decide to go to Syria.
You can't rewrite the Koran, or try to tell people it is not the word of God, that would upset the good Muslims. The book is perfect.
The non muslim population - about what ?
Western politicians ?
Perhaps get them to stop spouting out the same nonsense and start addressing / openly discussing the issue ?
Some better news, pretty much blown off the news agenda.
The Olympics. I would've said next target, but possibly not with the rate they're coming... Indeed anyone is a target now.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brazil-isis-militant...
ETA also demonstrating how stupid these backward people are. And hopefully that is why we will ultimately win through.
The Olympics. I would've said next target, but possibly not with the rate they're coming... Indeed anyone is a target now.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brazil-isis-militant...
ETA also demonstrating how stupid these backward people are. And hopefully that is why we will ultimately win through.
Edited by Northern Munkee on Tuesday 26th July 19:05
snorky782 said:
Why is it less and less the case? There are 100s of millions of Muslims worldwide and these are the odd Nutkin in comparison. Even if you go with the CIA 100,000 figure that still means 99.9994% of the Muslim population aren't supporters.
I think your 99.9994% figure is out by an order of magnitude.I also think, unless you're referring to a different figure, that the 100k you're referring to is for members of IS in Iraq and Syria. I'm not sure what the Muslim population of Iraq and Syria is, but I'm pretty sure it's less than the worldwide Muslim population.
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