Normandy church attack
Discussion
gruffalo said:
Jobs are of course important but the problem in my local is the second generation immigrants who seem to he heavily criminalised running prostitution and drug cartels while attending prayers every Friday and being on the face of it devoutly Muslim and completely refuse to mix outside their own culture even though they are the ultimate corruption of that culture.
Jobs are available but crime is easier and pays better and they are almost beyond the law due to the police being so frightened of be accused of racism. For Christ sake when someone gets arrested for terrorism charges the police get criticism for not consulting the community elders before making the arrest.
The same is true for poor white, black communities too, look at the way traveller sites are treated as no go areas. The government cares for the city of London and that is about it as far as I can see.Jobs are available but crime is easier and pays better and they are almost beyond the law due to the police being so frightened of be accused of racism. For Christ sake when someone gets arrested for terrorism charges the police get criticism for not consulting the community elders before making the arrest.
ABZ RS6 said:
otolith said:
I've known lots of people of Muslim heritage and varying degrees of religiosity who were fully integrated.
And from growing up in the NW of England I know s
t loads that are not and never will be.As someone said earlier, they want the benefits (literally in many cases) of western society but also to be allowed to exist in their own little backward thinking worlds and seek to ever drag back our values so as to appease their medieval beliefs.
Yes, there are s
tholes where there are problems, but the suggestion that Muslims *cannot* integrate is evident bks because often they do.AJS- said:
BigLion said:
You can turd polish all you like, but there is a really big gap in values and it will only get wider before it gets better. There are a high number of Muslims in the UK just don't agree with western values.
100,000 who ADMIT to supporting suicide bombers.
2,000,000 who wouldn't tell the authorities if someone they knew planned to fight our troops I. Syria etc.
That last number is equivalent to a full Old Trafford multiplied by 30 or put another way near the same as EIGHT Leicester sized cities.
My parents were immigrants to this country and when I mentioned the stats to them, my mum said that the UK is a free country, if you don't like it then sod off to Saudi Arabia or Syria!!!
My mums honest view of 60 years living in and around various parts of India and what is now Pakistan is that the people of Islam don't want to integrate, they want to takeover wherever you are. Her acid test is, go build a temple (of an alternative religion) in Saudi Arabia and see what happens.
Whilst her view is politically incorrect, the sentiment is now shared across many immigrant groups who are not Muslims - hence why many Hindus, sikhs, Irish etc. voted leave in brexit as they have had enough. I speak to so many people are it's the same story.
I feel sorry for the decent Muslims who support western values and would shop terrorists, but when you have EIGHT times Leicester city sized population who do not share the same approach then you are in the minority.
Never thought I'd be accused of defending Islam on here, haha.100,000 who ADMIT to supporting suicide bombers.
2,000,000 who wouldn't tell the authorities if someone they knew planned to fight our troops I. Syria etc.
That last number is equivalent to a full Old Trafford multiplied by 30 or put another way near the same as EIGHT Leicester sized cities.
My parents were immigrants to this country and when I mentioned the stats to them, my mum said that the UK is a free country, if you don't like it then sod off to Saudi Arabia or Syria!!!
My mums honest view of 60 years living in and around various parts of India and what is now Pakistan is that the people of Islam don't want to integrate, they want to takeover wherever you are. Her acid test is, go build a temple (of an alternative religion) in Saudi Arabia and see what happens.
Whilst her view is politically incorrect, the sentiment is now shared across many immigrant groups who are not Muslims - hence why many Hindus, sikhs, Irish etc. voted leave in brexit as they have had enough. I speak to so many people are it's the same story.
I feel sorry for the decent Muslims who support western values and would shop terrorists, but when you have EIGHT times Leicester city sized population who do not share the same approach then you are in the minority.
The point was that there is some hope because there are Muslims who don't believe this stuff. It's a matter of identifying the problem and finding out how to overcome it.
The only alternative is to get rid of Muslims all together which is what Spain did, but not something that any right minded person would suggest today.
otolith said:
ABZ RS6 said:
otolith said:
I've known lots of people of Muslim heritage and varying degrees of religiosity who were fully integrated.
And from growing up in the NW of England I know st loads that are not and never will be.As someone said earlier, they want the benefits (literally in many cases) of western society but also to be allowed to exist in their own little backward thinking worlds and seek to ever drag back our values so as to appease their medieval beliefs.
Yes, there are s
tholes where there are problems, but the suggestion that Muslims *cannot* integrate is evident bks because often they do.If not, why not ? Perhaps a better question would be why are they here ?
andymc said:
AJS said:
The only alternative is to get rid of Muslims all together which is what Spain did, but not something that any right minded person would suggest today.
how did Spain do that?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
jsf said:
A real multicultural paradise... Another view here
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/04/andalusian-myth...
its always good to get information from more than one source, it helps in understanding where the problems come from when you have opposing opinions for the same events.
History is always written by the victor, quite often history is full of half truths or lies. The serious historians seek the truth by analysing the loser as deeply as the winner.
The current BBC2 programme on the Somme is good because it does just that, looking at the war from the German side as much as the British.
History is always written by the victor, quite often history is full of half truths or lies. The serious historians seek the truth by analysing the loser as deeply as the winner.
The current BBC2 programme on the Somme is good because it does just that, looking at the war from the German side as much as the British.
dandarez said:
Because do-gooders are never, ever, held to account for their actions.
How the fk they sleep at night I don't know.
You've answered your own question there.How the f
k they sleep at night I don't know. Their actions often don't have consequences for them, only for others because if it does all go to s
t "lessons will be learned".T5XARV said:
Yes they 'often do' but would you go as far as to say that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK seek to integrate, or not ? I look forward to your answer.
If not, why not ? Perhaps a better question would be why are they here ?
Those I know have. Those who haven't, I don't know, because they haven't. Either way, so long as they obey the laws of the land, that's really their own business. (that's a good old fashioned British value, by the way)If not, why not ? Perhaps a better question would be why are they here ?
Haggleburyfinius said:
Colonial said:
Why is this worse and worthy of 4 times as many posts as 17 disabled people murdered in a mass killing in Japan by a non-religious Japanese man?
Oh. Think I just answered my own question.
Because it is most likely to happen again. And again. And again. And again etc.Oh. Think I just answered my own question.
The other was by the biggest terrorist group we have known and one that is able to launch frequent attacks in Europe and the Middle East, sadly in the 21st century they are able to appeal to many people and there will always someone willing to carry out the next attack
rich85uk said:
Haggleburyfinius said:
Colonial said:
Why is this worse and worthy of 4 times as many posts as 17 disabled people murdered in a mass killing in Japan by a non-religious Japanese man?
Oh. Think I just answered my own question.
Because it is most likely to happen again. And again. And again. And again etc.Oh. Think I just answered my own question.
The other was by the biggest terrorist group we have known and one that is able to launch frequent attacks in Europe and the Middle East, sadly in the 21st century they are able to appeal to many people and there will always someone willing to carry out the next attack
Well I don't know but what I do know is this. To address any problem and find a solution the first step is looking at the origins of the problem, Islam has been around for 1000's of years and we've had Muslims in Europe for pretty much all that time, why are suddenly a tiny minority of them becoming terrorists?
Think I'm finished we these types of threads now as what more is left to discuss - I will walk away with the stat that 100,000 British Muslims support suicide bombers and 2 million British Muslims wouldn't shop someone they knew was going to fight in Syria.
Saddens me that the small minority of decent Muslims won't be able to get a fair hearing above that majority - but whatever your interpretation of Islam it looks like the majority have a different view, one that is at direct odds with all the values we hold so dear in the West.
Saddens me that the small minority of decent Muslims won't be able to get a fair hearing above that majority - but whatever your interpretation of Islam it looks like the majority have a different view, one that is at direct odds with all the values we hold so dear in the West.
babatunde said:
This attitude is part of the problem, this whole hands in the air... they are going to kill us all response to terrorism, it simply doesn't work, so what does work....
Well I don't know but what I do know is this. To address any problem and find a solution the first step is looking at the origins of the problem, Islam has been around for 1000's of years and we've had Muslims in Europe for pretty much all that time, why are suddenly a tiny minority of them becoming terrorists?
The radical terrorism thing is being driven from the Arab States, Saudi the most powerful. Wealth in the Arab States is a relatively recent thing,Well I don't know but what I do know is this. To address any problem and find a solution the first step is looking at the origins of the problem, Islam has been around for 1000's of years and we've had Muslims in Europe for pretty much all that time, why are suddenly a tiny minority of them becoming terrorists?
France has a far far bigger population of Arab Muslims, (than the UK) due to the French Empire and occupation of North Africa and the Middle East.
Edited by PositronicRay on Wednesday 27th July 08:40
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