Normandy church attack
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Budflicker said:
Alpinestars said:
Sorry, that's a pathetic and unfortunately very PH conclusion re am I justifying it. I'll treat that statement/question with the contempt it deserves.
I'm playing the race card?
That's your inference. I asked for reasons. I've not given my views as to why I think it is yet, so not sure why you've jumped to that conclusion.
I asked a question, and so far have only managed a proximity argument.
All things being equal, it's odd that there is far less PH concern about deaths of innocent ME/Eastern people. IF, the issue is ISIS, there should be no real difference in bandwidth. IF the issue is not just ISIS, what other factors are making people post differently about the different events. Shouldn't be a difficult question to answer?
I answered that earlier?I'm playing the race card?
That's your inference. I asked for reasons. I've not given my views as to why I think it is yet, so not sure why you've jumped to that conclusion.
I asked a question, and so far have only managed a proximity argument.
All things being equal, it's odd that there is far less PH concern about deaths of innocent ME/Eastern people. IF, the issue is ISIS, there should be no real difference in bandwidth. IF the issue is not just ISIS, what other factors are making people post differently about the different events. Shouldn't be a difficult question to answer?
quote=Budflicker]
I suspect also that there is a certain amount of let them kill each other all they like as long as it's not us attitude, very much like there is apathy in the non black community with regards to black on black violence closer to home.
Unfortunately it's just human nature, the same as i doubt that many people in China give a stuff about the priest yesterday, they are more bothered with the floods at home.
It is what it is.
If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
andymadmak said:
I think you are making heavy weather of playing the race card here Alpinestars. I don't honestly think the accusation is justified, for reasons described by several posters. But lets suppose for just one moment that there is more ballyhoo on PH over ISIS killing western people than there is over ISIS killing other folk, and let's just imagine for a moment that the reason for this disparity is some form of racism, the question that follows is "so what? " By that I mean what difference does PH members reaction or western reaction make to the legitimacy or otherwise of the acts of terror? You cannot possibly be asserting some sort of justification for what ISIS have done, can you? (genuine question)
This ^^Though, he's not the only one who seems to get a hard-on from playing devil's advocate on here.
Alpinestars said:
I think you latter points are closer to the truth, and by "them", I think some posters mean Muslims.
If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
Stop trying to get people to say what you want them to say so that you can feign outrage, what i posted was pretty clear what it means, i also gave a comparison to other similar examples of human nature so.If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
As i said it is what it is.
Alpinestars said:
I think you latter points are closer to the truth, and by "them", I think some posters mean Muslims.
If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
I think that most posters would see both as a concern, although, as many have pointed out already, the "closer to home" killings (defined both culturally and geographically) will obviously resonate more within a website based in the UK and largely frequented by people with western cultural identity. If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
But as I said before, I am not sure where you are trying to go with this. If you're not looking for racism or seeking to justify the actions of ISUS in some way (your reply hints at mild annoyance at my suggestion of this) then what point is it you are trying to make?
Alpinestars said:
ikarl said:
Plenty of posters on this thread have gave you their own personal answer. They can do nothing more.
Stop being 'That Guy' !
Always best to shut debate down when the answers might not suit the narrative. Stop being 'That Guy' !
I think most of us would've been happy for you to highlight the specific point you wanted to debate, and your own views, half a dozen pages ago.
Alpinestars said:
I think you latter points are closer to the truth, and by "them", I think some posters mean Muslims.
If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
Why is this so hard to understand? People over there, living a life I cannot relate to, lets say the Eskimos in Greenland will not pull my heartstrings as much as people living in a place I can relate to, lets say the Danes.If that's the case, is the real concern of those posters that they are killing people like "us", rather than they are killing people?
Alpine, you seem to have appointed yourself as head of the 'easily offended.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
I'm usually one of the more liberal voices on these sorts of threads but I have to say, I can completely understand people being more affected by attacks in Europe than further afield. I am too.
It's just normal I think. Tragedies very far away are never as resonant IMO.
I don't think you can read too much into that to be honest. There's plenty of stuff I find distasteful on here without looking for it where it isn't...
It's just normal I think. Tragedies very far away are never as resonant IMO.
I don't think you can read too much into that to be honest. There's plenty of stuff I find distasteful on here without looking for it where it isn't...
Sam All said:
Alpine, you seem to have appointed yourself as head of the 'easily offended.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
Just to be clear I don't think any of us are easily offended. I'm certainly not. You might like to think that because my views differ slightly from yours that I'm a big cry baby, but nothing could be further from the truth. & PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
I don't defend the terrorists at all. I think they're the lowest of the low. However, I'm not naive / stupid / racist / bigoted (delete as applicable) enough to lump all members of their religion into one pot and come up with the naive / stupid / racist (delete as appropriate) comments that many post on here.
Starting a thread is nigh on impossible about any atrocity as there are many there first, most of whom pop up with the passive aggressive posts, or wildly hilarious Judean People's Fromt / People's Front of Judea comments.
I notice the truck bomb in Syria has been nicely squirrelled away in the 5 year old Syria thread despite there being c45 Kurds killed by this atrocity, although it's only got a few sarcastic comments to its name.
Edited by snorky782 on Wednesday 27th July 15:55
Sam All said:
Alpine, you seem to have appointed yourself as head of the 'easily offended.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
Unlike you M, I'm not easily offended. You've not offered an answer to my question. & PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
All I'm trying to do is point out the hypocrisy of SOME posters. Sorry if that offends you old chap
. snorky782 said:
Sam All said:
Alpine, you seem to have appointed yourself as head of the 'easily offended.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
Just to be clear I don't think any of us are easily offended. I'm certainly not. You might like to think that because my views differ slightly from yours that I'm a big cry baby, but nothing could be further from the truth. & PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
I don't defend the terrorists at all. I think they're the lowest of the low. However, I'm not naive / stupid / racist / bigoted (delete as applicable) enough to lump all members of their religion into one pot and come up with the naive / stupid / racist (delete as appropriate) comments that many post on here.
Starting a thread is nigh on impossible about any at profits as there are many there first, most of whom pop up with the passive aggressive posts, or wildly hilarious Judean People's Fromt / People's Front of Judea comments.
I notice the truck bomb in Syria has been nicely squirrelled away in the 5 year old Syria thread despite there being c45 Kurds killed by this atrocity, although it's only got a few sarcastic comments to its name.
Rscott, Alpinestars and the like continually try to push the most ridiculous narrative and try to side track the debate.
I don't expect western people to die in terrorist attacks...however the arse end of the world countries always have some plava going on
Whether Saudis are beheading a Women because she was raped, or chemical attacks on their own people or outright genocide in places.
These random shootings Orlando or surrey don't involve a collective army of millions of people who are intent on killing westerners.
So suck it up and move on.
It's all part of a denial - almost the mentality of trying to convince the west that terrorism and risk doesn't exist.
The ch4 survey and response from the person who rallied people against islamaphobia says everything - rather than thinking s
t what do we do about this as a community, we instead get outright denial and trying to undermine the most comprehensive study ever taken.
The mantra of 'the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist' springs to mind as the objective of some people on here.
We all had intuition as to what the situation is, we all called out what was happening but the Religion of Peace followers tried to convince us otherwise - however now even the liberals who shouted from the rooftops re islamaphobia have accepted actually there is a major problem in British Muslims.
Get a grip, the Religion of Peace has a problem and if don't accept that then that's your problem, but stop trying to have obscure arguments and reptitive posts in the hope to distract from the macro truth.
100,000 British Muslims support suicide bombings.
2,000,000 wouldn't tell authorities if someone they knew was going to Syria.
Minus 50% for sampling error or whatever - that is still a big number.
The ch4 programme is a must watch.
Thankfully liberals are coming around to understand the situation we're in - Islam has just scored a major own goal which represent a nadir in this war
I don't expect western people to die in terrorist attacks...however the arse end of the world countries always have some plava going on
Whether Saudis are beheading a Women because she was raped, or chemical attacks on their own people or outright genocide in places.
These random shootings Orlando or surrey don't involve a collective army of millions of people who are intent on killing westerners.
So suck it up and move on.
It's all part of a denial - almost the mentality of trying to convince the west that terrorism and risk doesn't exist.
The ch4 survey and response from the person who rallied people against islamaphobia says everything - rather than thinking s
t what do we do about this as a community, we instead get outright denial and trying to undermine the most comprehensive study ever taken.The mantra of 'the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist' springs to mind as the objective of some people on here.
We all had intuition as to what the situation is, we all called out what was happening but the Religion of Peace followers tried to convince us otherwise - however now even the liberals who shouted from the rooftops re islamaphobia have accepted actually there is a major problem in British Muslims.
Get a grip, the Religion of Peace has a problem and if don't accept that then that's your problem, but stop trying to have obscure arguments and reptitive posts in the hope to distract from the macro truth.
100,000 British Muslims support suicide bombings.
2,000,000 wouldn't tell authorities if someone they knew was going to Syria.
Minus 50% for sampling error or whatever - that is still a big number.
The ch4 programme is a must watch.
Thankfully liberals are coming around to understand the situation we're in - Islam has just scored a major own goal which represent a nadir in this war
Alpinestars said:
Sam All said:
Alpine, you seem to have appointed yourself as head of the 'easily offended.
& PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
Unlike you M, I'm not easily offended. You've not offered an answer to my question. & PH's is not the world, just a few stubborn blokes (& really it is only a few hundred active) passing time and shying from work. PH's is a motoring forum and yet there are the likes of jjlynne who only post on the NP & E and there are many others - you mentioned snorky yourself, and there is Trabi & 768 who are busy on the forums you have issue with and yet not you nor them ever start up a thread about the other atrocities you think should be given more pages on PH's.
Chill man Get out more, drive your lovely cars
Now back to this church attack.
All I'm trying to do is point out the hypocrisy of SOME posters. Sorry if that offends you old chap
. You mention some Posters - name them please and focus.
I do wish there was less religious/colour tension, it is not racial in recent years. Do you believe Islam/Koran needs a make-over, even to distant it from IS?
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