£375000 overtime pay for doctor, who syas NHS isnt broken
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V8 Fettler said:
There are pay bands for NHS consultants which refer to salaries, therefore unlikely to be contractors. Perhaps there are consultants employed as contractors by the NHS (?)
Police inspectors do not receive paid overtime, neither do grades above. There are plenty of salaried professional positions where there is no paid overtime but it is expected that hours will be worked above the core contractual requirement.
Locums are contractors, they operate on every level, from jd (all grades) to consultants. In my industry, salaried consultants are paid for overtime. Customer is charged for overtime. Without exception.Police inspectors do not receive paid overtime, neither do grades above. There are plenty of salaried professional positions where there is no paid overtime but it is expected that hours will be worked above the core contractual requirement.
Jockman said:
I didn't realise that. Would they have some sort of Ownership in the business to motivate them to do this?
Pretty sure the Partners at Hill Dickinson overlook any trivial amounts of overtime so long as it's neither excessive nor regular. Sorts of fits in with what you are saying.
In 20+ years of working in financial services, explicit overtime payments were only available to the lower grades - primarily customer service staff. In professional areas, working beyond the standard 9-5 was expected, much more so as you got more senior.Pretty sure the Partners at Hill Dickinson overlook any trivial amounts of overtime so long as it's neither excessive nor regular. Sorts of fits in with what you are saying.
I'm guessing most professionals in financial services have signed to exclude themselves from the Working Time directive.
Where I work, 8am - 7pm would be 'standard' hours for professional staff.
Obviously this is recognised to some extent in basic salaries, in cash and share bonuses, but people are rewarded on output not on hours worked.
Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 27th July 10:17
V8 Fettler said:
Jockman said:
V8 Fettler said:
Jockman said:
V8 Fettler said:
Do not NHS consultants receive a good salary? If so, why is there paid overtime available?
Spikes in demand?Unfortunately, Consultants for all their undoubted skills remain Employees / Contractors / however you want to describe them.
Police inspectors do not receive paid overtime, neither do grades above. There are plenty of salaried professional positions where there is no paid overtime but it is expected that hours will be worked above the core contractual requirement.
Is it a case that PIs etc are not permitted to claim overtime?
The expectation to work extra hours is generally placed in most contracts, unpaid or not (I know we do).
MrBarry123 said:
sidicks said:
Which is fine, as long as you can identity where the money comes from to pay this - taxing 'someone else' isn't a viable option...!
Eh? It'd be taken from the consultant's aligned NHS Trust's budget.sidicks said:
Jockman said:
I didn't realise that. Would they have some sort of Ownership in the business to motivate them to do this?
Pretty sure the Partners at Hill Dickinson overlook any trivial amounts of overtime so long as it's neither excessive nor regular. Sorts of fits in with what you are saying.
In 20+ years of working in financial services, explicit overtime payments were only available to the lower grades - primarily customer service staff. In professional areas, working beyond the standard 9-5 was expected, much more so as you got more senior.Pretty sure the Partners at Hill Dickinson overlook any trivial amounts of overtime so long as it's neither excessive nor regular. Sorts of fits in with what you are saying.
I'm guessing most professionals in financial services have signed to exclude themselves from the Working Time directive.
Where I work, 8am - 7pm would be 'standard' hours for professional staff.
Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 27th July 10:15
Sylvaforever said:
MrBarry123 said:
sidicks said:
Which is fine, as long as you can identity where the money comes from to pay this - taxing 'someone else' isn't a viable option...!
Eh? It'd be taken from the consultant's aligned NHS Trust's budget.
mojo in yet another 'I'm completely clueless about things that I post about' shocker.hedgefinder said:
its likely to be a drop in the ocean if you added together the wages being paid out on agency nursing staff to cover the shortages in staffing levels throughout the NHS.
Yes, a mate of mine is a nurse and is doing this, making a fortune vs his original pittance of a salary. Jockman said:
V8 Fettler said:
Jockman said:
V8 Fettler said:
Jockman said:
V8 Fettler said:
Do not NHS consultants receive a good salary? If so, why is there paid overtime available?
Spikes in demand?Unfortunately, Consultants for all their undoubted skills remain Employees / Contractors / however you want to describe them.
Police inspectors do not receive paid overtime, neither do grades above. There are plenty of salaried professional positions where there is no paid overtime but it is expected that hours will be worked above the core contractual requirement.
Is it a case that PIs etc are not permitted to claim overtime?
The expectation to work extra hours is generally placed in most contracts, unpaid or not (I know we do).
A lot of staff in the NHS of all grades will work some additional unpaid hours each week , sometimes for the promise of 'time owed' ( awful lot of people running a balance of that , that is unlikely to be repaid by the employer) other times for no recompense.
I suspect this figure given is for a consultant Surgeon who is undertaking a sixth full working day a week probably in the operating theatre ( in addition to on call commitments as part of the standard contract) queue busting waiting times ...
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