Byron Burgers immigration raid.

Byron Burgers immigration raid.

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Mr_B

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10,480 posts

242 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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You might have thought it a complete non story, but company complies with officials over illegal workers and gets slated for doing by the thick end of Twitter and Facebook. Why would you actively condemn them and then try and boycott their business ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36910950

TeamD

4,913 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Because the kind of mongs that disagree are exactly the type that don't think the law applies to them.

br d

8,388 posts

225 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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It's probably because expecting immigrants to abide by the same employment laws everybody else does is racist.

mizx

1,569 posts

184 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Too wrapped up in the tttersphere and announcing their 'feelings' to everyone is more important than reading anything properly.

Implying they knowingly employed them which clearly isn't the case.

Triumph Man

8,670 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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br d said:
It's probably because expecting immigrants to abide by the same employment laws everybody else does is racist.
Indeed. The lefty hand wringers are up in arms again. As they seem to be permanently at the moment.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Triumph Man said:
Indeed. The lefty hand wringers are up in arms again. As they seem to be permanently at the moment.
You can't reason with stupid.

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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I don't really know what the outraged of Twitter actually expect?

Employ illegals and you're essentially robbing someone legal of employment, presumably the same people are also outraged that people here legally (not simply British people) cannot get a job.

Does seem a bit of a cake and eat it position confused

stripy7

806 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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mizx said:
Too wrapped up in the tttersphere and announcing their 'feelings' to everyone is more important than reading anything properly.

Implying they knowingly employed them which clearly isn't the case.
I'm not conversant with details of this case but my understanding is that the legal onus is on the employer to ascertain whether a job applicants status/documentation is bone fide?

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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bhstewie said:
I don't really know what the outraged of Twitter actually expect?

Employ illegals and you're essentially robbing someone legal of employment, presumably the same people are also outraged that people here legally (not simply British people) cannot get a job.

Does seem a bit of a cake and eat it position confused
Comprehension and logic are part of skillset I'd call 'common sense' which, is an oxymoron.

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
mizx said:
Too wrapped up in the tttersphere and announcing their 'feelings' to everyone is more important than reading anything properly.

Implying they knowingly employed them which clearly isn't the case.
I'm not conversant with details of this case but my understanding is that the legal onus is on the employer to ascertain whether a job applicants status/documentation is bone fide?
Well done for emphasising his point so quickly.

TeamD

4,913 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
I'm not conversant with details of this case but my understanding is that the legal onus is on the employer to ascertain whether a job applicants status/documentation is bone fide?
And employers who have doubts can contact the authorities who then advise them to keep employing them until such time as said authorities turn up to nick them, otherwise they just drop off the radar again.

stripy7

806 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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TeamD said:
And employers who have doubts can contact the authorities who then advise them to keep employing them until such time as said authorities turn up to nick them, otherwise they just drop off the radar again.
Ah interesting thanks

stripy7

806 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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13m said:
stripy7 said:
mizx said:
Too wrapped up in the tttersphere and announcing their 'feelings' to everyone is more important than reading anything properly.

Implying they knowingly employed them which clearly isn't the case.
I'm not conversant with details of this case but my understanding is that the legal onus is on the employer to ascertain whether a job applicants status/documentation is bone fide?
Well done for emphasising his point so quickly.
Care to elucidate?

TeamD

4,913 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
TeamD said:
And employers who have doubts can contact the authorities who then advise them to keep employing them until such time as said authorities turn up to nick them, otherwise they just drop off the radar again.
Ah interesting thanks
Have known of two local companies who have had this issue. I think immigration work on the basis of "if you are employing them then we know where they are" smile

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
13m said:
stripy7 said:
mizx said:
Too wrapped up in the tttersphere and announcing their 'feelings' to everyone is more important than reading anything properly.

Implying they knowingly employed them which clearly isn't the case.
I'm not conversant with details of this case but my understanding is that the legal onus is on the employer to ascertain whether a job applicants status/documentation is bone fide?
Well done for emphasising his point so quickly.
Care to elucidate?
He was making the point that a number of people were commenting upon the story without bothering to read it.

It has been made clear that the employer performed the correct checks but the documents were fake.

So, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.



stripy7

806 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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TeamD said:
stripy7 said:
TeamD said:
And employers who have doubts can contact the authorities who then advise them to keep employing them until such time as said authorities turn up to nick them, otherwise they just drop off the radar again.
Ah interesting thanks
Have known of two local companies who have had this issue. I think immigration work on the basis of "if you are employing them then we know where they are" smile
Although isn't the point about the sheer number involved here? Surely companines don't want the bad PR and aggravation and would just not employ in the first place?

stripy7

806 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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13m said:
It has been made clear that the employer performed the correct checks but the documents were fake.

So, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
Actually, you're wrong. Now fk off.

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
13m said:
It has been made clear that the employer performed the correct checks but the documents were fake.

So, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
Actually, you're wrong. Now fk off.
Clearly. You appear to be the sort of chap who'd want to comment regardless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36910950

"The Home Office said Byron had done the correct "right to work" checks on recruits, but it was suspected the employees had provided false documents."






TeamD

4,913 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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stripy7 said:
Although isn't the point about the sheer number involved here? Surely companines don't want the bad PR and aggravation and would just not employ in the first place?
If they have what looks like the correct documentation then how would you know? The story seems to be that the employees were supplying forged documentation which I suspect would be of great interest to the immigration folks and thus warrant a more in-depth investigation.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Its part of the reason why I only use Twitter for work purposes, its full of people who wear their politics, gender and feelings on their sleeves and need everyone to know they have an opinion.