Byron Burgers immigration raid.
Discussion
13m said:
stripy7 said:
13m said:
It has been made clear that the employer performed the correct checks but the documents were fake.
So, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
Actually, you're wrong. Now fSo, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
k off.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36910950
"The Home Office said Byron had done the correct "right to work" checks on recruits, but it was suspected the employees had provided false documents."
stripy7 said:
13m said:
stripy7 said:
13m said:
It has been made clear that the employer performed the correct checks but the documents were fake.
So, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
Actually, you're wrong. Now fSo, had you read the story, you'd not have commented, probably.
k off.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36910950
"The Home Office said Byron had done the correct "right to work" checks on recruits, but it was suspected the employees had provided false documents."
As crafty and stty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees.
If they did carry out the appropriate checks, then I don't think they'd have had anything to worry about regarding punishment.
tty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees. If they did carry out the appropriate checks, then I don't think they'd have had anything to worry about regarding punishment.
DeanR32 said:
As crafty and stty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees.
To be fair to Byron, can you imagine how many separate raids would have been required to round up these 35 people had they not organised this training event in London .. so they have saved the taxpayer a few £!tty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees.I make you right.
Crafty as fk though. You can't knock the company for abiding by the law, but I just don't think I've got it in me to be so underhand like this.
30 odd jobs for Brits though I suppose. Every cloud has another one following it!
Edited to add, I bet they fill the vacancies with cheap European labour anyway!
Crafty as f
k though. You can't knock the company for abiding by the law, but I just don't think I've got it in me to be so underhand like this. 30 odd jobs for Brits though I suppose. Every cloud has another one following it!
Edited to add, I bet they fill the vacancies with cheap European labour anyway!
DeanR32 said:
As crafty and stty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees.
If they did carry out the appropriate checks, then I don't think they'd have had anything to worry about regarding punishment.
Why stty a thing it was to do, it's the law. I'd have rather they asked the authorities to do their own jobs instead of getting them to snipe their (presumably good) employees. If they did carry out the appropriate checks, then I don't think they'd have had anything to worry about regarding punishment.
tty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated. Mr_B said:
Why stty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated.
Let's just say, as an example, it's your gardener. He's been with you for a few years, does a pukka job every time, reasonably priced and a bloody nice bloke to boot. Could you collude with the authorities to catch him in your back garden? tty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated. I'm not saying they're wrong at all. But it' seems (to me, and obviously not to you) and right turncoat thing to do.
Again. They seem to have done the legal and right thing though
DeanR32 said:
Mr_B said:
Why stty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated.
Let's just say, as an example, it's your gardener. He's been with you for a few years, does a pukka job every time, reasonably priced and a bloody nice bloke to boot. Could you collude with the authorities to catch him in your back garden? tty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated. I'm not saying they're wrong at all. But it' seems (to me, and obviously not to you) and right turncoat thing to do.
Again. They seem to have done the legal and right thing though
They seem to have picked the least worst option ( or so they thought ) of what they thought would minimize the bad news, rather than possibly have it all over social media as people film it live as they sit down for a burger and the joint gets raided. I don't blame them for doing so as it is they who were conned and who take the risk from what is a dishonest bunch of employees.
Mr_B said:
DeanR32 said:
Mr_B said:
Why stty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated.
Let's just say, as an example, it's your gardener. He's been with you for a few years, does a pukka job every time, reasonably priced and a bloody nice bloke to boot. Could you collude with the authorities to catch him in your back garden? tty ? Don't they have a right to protect their business against those who seem to have faked documentation ? I'm not seeing why they should have told immigration officials just to raid each shop or not cooperated. I'm not saying they're wrong at all. But it' seems (to me, and obviously not to you) and right turncoat thing to do.
Again. They seem to have done the legal and right thing though
They seem to have picked the least worst option ( or so they thought ) of what they thought would minimize the bad news, rather than possibly have it all over social media as people film it live as they sit down for a burger and the joint gets raided. I don't blame them for doing so as it is they who were conned and who take the risk from what is a dishonest bunch of employees.
s using false ID in their job applications.I'm all for hard-working immigrants and a free, healthy movement of labour, but once people start flouting immigration laws, then that's another matter entirely.
Halb said:
Vandenberg said:
Its part of the reason why I only use PH for work purposes, its full of people who wear their politics, gender and feelings on their sleeves and need everyone to know they have an opinion.
So there.
Seems to me Byron Burger are in the wrong. Makes me feel very uncomfortable that large corporate businesses can claim ignorance or wash their hands in this manner.
Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the st to avoid taking any responsibility.
I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the s
t to avoid taking any responsibility.I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
FredClogs said:
Seems to me Byron Burger are in the wrong. Makes me feel very uncomfortable that large corporate businesses can claim ignorance or wash their hands in this manner.
Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the st to avoid taking any responsibility.
I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
What basis have you for this assessment?Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the s
t to avoid taking any responsibility.I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
It's easily done as an employer and I know one place I went to had someone forge an NI card from a mate. We only spotted it after a disciplinary when the details were on the desk and by chance the HR officer clocked the similarity of the NI numbers. As in identical. Another place I worked used to have people sending in brothers and mates to cover shifts, you'd only know if they walked around the factory looking a bit lost.
I suspect that Byron had immigration do them a deal - set up a sting and we will let you off, fail to cooperate and we will be all over your recruitment checks. Immigration do not mess about and rightly so, one colleague of mine was in a factory that got raided and the authorities went in mob-handed and dragged off 3 vanfuls of illegal workers. He didn't know they were illegals, some had been there a while. Immigration gave him a very good grilling, along with all the managers.
I suspect that Byron had immigration do them a deal - set up a sting and we will let you off, fail to cooperate and we will be all over your recruitment checks. Immigration do not mess about and rightly so, one colleague of mine was in a factory that got raided and the authorities went in mob-handed and dragged off 3 vanfuls of illegal workers. He didn't know they were illegals, some had been there a while. Immigration gave him a very good grilling, along with all the managers.
FredClogs said:
Seems to me Byron Burger are in the wrong. Makes me feel very uncomfortable that large corporate businesses can claim ignorance or wash their hands in this manner.
Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the st to avoid taking any responsibility.
I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
Did you read the whole report - where it explains they had fake documentation? So Byron thought they were employing staff here legally, but turns out they aren't and did the right thing by co-operating with the investigation.Either they're using this as a way of laying off some staff and avoid redundancy or settlement
Or
They've been found out not checking their employees particulars well enough and either the Border Security have threatened them into shopping the staff or someone else has but either way they've chosen to drop the staff in the s
t to avoid taking any responsibility.I'd like to see employers who employ illegal staff fined and pilloried and force them to pay compo to the immigrant and sponsor their citizenship or naturalisation procedure.
They come over here... Working, paying taxes... etc... etc...
Digga said:
Halb said:
Vandenberg said:
Its part of the reason why I only use PH for work purposes, its full of people who wear their politics, gender and feelings on their sleeves and need everyone to know they have an opinion.
So there.
But I need the work...
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