Byron Burgers immigration raid.
Discussion
FredClogs said:
businesses owe a debt to their staff - even if the did lie to get the job, .
Lied to get a job is OK with you?Here's how it works in the real world:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706486/To...
gizlaroc said:
There was no personal attacks. I find it very strange you saw anything I said as an attack?
Also it is far from irrelevant, and I don't care less about your financial standing, that was not why I was asking.
I guess with your original post seeming so 'left wing' I wondered whether you run a business yourself or simply collect a pay packet at the end of each month.
It was not an attack though, as I said, I was genuinely interested to see how such different views from people are formed.
I was very left of thinking until I started my own business, then when I realised just how hard it was (staff the biggest problem) I started to change my views pretty quickly.
I didn't mean to upset you, was just intrigued.
No worries, I'm not upset, I just think this story very well demonstrates the cognitive dissonance we all suffer between the ideals of living in a world that is perfectly ordered and controlled to our supposed standards and the reality of having 70million individuals on an island all trying to survive and build wealth for themselves. I think it also punctures the opinion that illegal immigrants are some how a drain and here to take advantage where I believe the opposite to be true, I don't want to paint all large employers as exploiting their workforce but clearly if the cap fits then why should we shy away from pointing it out. I wouldn't expect Byron Burger to do anything other than uphold the law, it's just apparent that in this case there may be just a whiff of them walking away from a sAlso it is far from irrelevant, and I don't care less about your financial standing, that was not why I was asking.
I guess with your original post seeming so 'left wing' I wondered whether you run a business yourself or simply collect a pay packet at the end of each month.
It was not an attack though, as I said, I was genuinely interested to see how such different views from people are formed.
I was very left of thinking until I started my own business, then when I realised just how hard it was (staff the biggest problem) I started to change my views pretty quickly.
I didn't mean to upset you, was just intrigued.
t storm of their own making. And yes I run a business, I don't have staff but I take on subbies every now and then, some have come from abroad, I have taken copies of documents and agree that it would be hard to spot a forgery, but the people I've contracted have all been through agencies and as professionals likely to have gone through the correct procedures. Running a business is of course hard and stressful but the rewards are there also, working in a kitchen is also hard and stressful - I know which I'd rather do.
FredClogs said:
And yes I run a business, I don't have staff but I take on subbies every now and then, some have come from abroad, I have taken copies of documents and agree that it would be hard to spot a forgery, but the people I've contracted have all been through agencies and as professionals likely to have gone through the correct procedures.
audidoody said:
FredClogs said:
businesses owe a debt to their staff - even if the did lie to get the job, .
Lied to get a job is OK with you?Here's how it works in the real world:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706486/To...
FredClogs said:
I think it should be perfectly clear to all that any man who wears iridium tinted wrap around sun glasses when going to court, or in fact doing anything other than sport, is definitely a wrong 'un.
You should be a detective with your acumen at spotting "types" 
(Or working in Byron's HR department).
Murph7355 said:
FredClogs said:
I think it should be perfectly clear to all that any man who wears iridium tinted wrap around sun glasses when going to court, or in fact doing anything other than sport, is definitely a wrong 'un.
You should be a detective with your acumen at spotting "types" (Or working in Byron's HR department).
And this is what is wrong with this whole system! Be a "good" and hard working person but break the law for something relatively "minor" and you get shafted big time by the authorities and PH!
But if you are a hardcore crimimal murderer/rapist/ terrorist, you get benefits and big houses, no deportation or "worse" case scenario you end up in a 3 star prison with access to sky tv, playstation and some healthy meals and right to exercise and you have the moral support of all the lefty do gooder human rights morons for 5 years or you can check out after 3 years for good behaviour.
Hard working motorists who pay road tax, insurance, congestion charge and MOT gets caught driving 10mph over the limit on the motorway by a scamera. Points and fine on the way to your doorstep and maybe a little court hearing. Plus lets not forget the rise in insurance premium next year! woohoo.
Criminal thieving scum who don't pay for road tax, insurance or Mot, car not even registered at his sthole address gets caught by speed camera. He gets nothing! Can't even find out where he lives as he hasn't even registered the car with the DVLA etc.
Loads of wannabe terrorists, rapists, fake asylum seekers, gang members rinsing the system. No leave them alone, they have human rights! Let's pick on those tough hardcore evil criminals flipping burgers in a "corporate" kitchen and working 60 hours a week for peanuts. They are a real threat to the economy and taking British jobs.
For information, I am against mass and uncontrolled immigration. Hence why I voted for brexit.
On a relatively similar note, I once got offered a position with a bank. Got through a telephone interview, went for assessment day and 2nd interview. Got a verbal offer of employment. But when they found out I needed a work permit, guess what? I was told to p1ss off. So not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation. Fair enough! But here's the tricky part, Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff. Wonderful system, where someone has proved that they can do the job but still not allowed to do so.
And then you see on the news all these criminals (foreign and british chavs) living on benefits and being protected by the system.
Wonderful system!
But if you are a hardcore crimimal murderer/rapist/ terrorist, you get benefits and big houses, no deportation or "worse" case scenario you end up in a 3 star prison with access to sky tv, playstation and some healthy meals and right to exercise and you have the moral support of all the lefty do gooder human rights morons for 5 years or you can check out after 3 years for good behaviour.
Hard working motorists who pay road tax, insurance, congestion charge and MOT gets caught driving 10mph over the limit on the motorway by a scamera. Points and fine on the way to your doorstep and maybe a little court hearing. Plus lets not forget the rise in insurance premium next year! woohoo.
Criminal thieving scum who don't pay for road tax, insurance or Mot, car not even registered at his s
thole address gets caught by speed camera. He gets nothing! Can't even find out where he lives as he hasn't even registered the car with the DVLA etc. Loads of wannabe terrorists, rapists, fake asylum seekers, gang members rinsing the system. No leave them alone, they have human rights! Let's pick on those tough hardcore evil criminals flipping burgers in a "corporate" kitchen and working 60 hours a week for peanuts. They are a real threat to the economy and taking British jobs.
For information, I am against mass and uncontrolled immigration. Hence why I voted for brexit.
On a relatively similar note, I once got offered a position with a bank. Got through a telephone interview, went for assessment day and 2nd interview. Got a verbal offer of employment. But when they found out I needed a work permit, guess what? I was told to p1ss off. So not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation. Fair enough! But here's the tricky part, Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff. Wonderful system, where someone has proved that they can do the job but still not allowed to do so.
And then you see on the news all these criminals (foreign and british chavs) living on benefits and being protected by the system.
Wonderful system!
Edited by vkcs22 on Friday 29th July 20:53
Once Byron become aware they're employing illegals, they commit a crime by continuing to employ them.
If people are angry they need to direct it to the Home Office. It's not Byron's fault.
How do you know the ones at Byron aren't 'fake asylum seekers'?
If people are angry they need to direct it to the Home Office. It's not Byron's fault.
vkcs22 said:
And this is what is wrong with this whole system! Be a "good" and hard working person but break the law for something relatively "minor" and you get shafted big time by the authorities and PH!
vkcs22 said:
Loads of wannabe terrorists, rapists, fake asylum seekers, gang members rinsing the system. No leave them alone, they have human rights! Let's pick on those tough hardcore evil criminals flipping burgers in a "corporate" kitchen and working 60 hours a week for peanuts. They are a real threat to the economy and taking British jobs.
Which is it? Do immigration systems and enforcement work or not? How do you know the ones at Byron aren't 'fake asylum seekers'?
vkcs22 said:
For information, I am against mass and uncontrolled immigration. Hence why I voted for brexit.
If immigration is going to tighter and tougher, like the Brexit people want, then these are the sorts of things that are going to be enforced. vkcs22 said:
And this is what is wrong with this whole system! Be a "good" and hard working person but break the law for something relatively "minor" and you get shafted big time by the authorities and PH!
But if you are a hardcore crimimal murderer/rapist/ terrorist, you get benefits and big houses, no deportation or "worse" case scenario you end up in a 3 star prison with access to sky tv, playstation and some healthy meals and right to exercise and you have the moral support of all the lefty do gooder human rights morons for 5 years or you can check out after 3 years for good behaviour.
Hard working motorists who pay road tax, insurance, congestion charge and MOT gets caught driving 10mph over the limit on the motorway by a scamera. Points and fine on the way to your doorstep and maybe a little court hearing. Plus lets not forget the rise in insurance premium next year! woohoo.
Criminal thieving scum who don't pay for road tax, insurance or Mot, car not even registered at his sthole address gets caught by speed camera. He gets nothing! Can't even find out where he lives as he hasn't even registered the car with the DVLA etc.
Loads of wannabe terrorists, rapists, fake asylum seekers, gang members rinsing the system. No leave them alone, they have human rights! Let's pick on those tough hardcore evil criminals flipping burgers in a "corporate" kitchen and working 60 hours a week for peanuts. They are a real threat to the economy and taking British jobs.
For information, I am against mass and uncontrolled immigration. Hence why I voted for brexit.
On a relatively similar note, I once got offered a position with a bank. Got through a telephone interview, went for assessment day and 2nd interview. Got a verbal offer of employment. But when they found out I needed a work permit, guess what? I was told to p1ss off. So not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation. Fair enough! But here's the tricky part, Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff. Wonderful system, where someone has proved that they can do the job but still not allowed to do so.
And then you see on the news all these criminals (foreign and british chavs) living on benefits and being protected by the system.
Wonderful system!
And breathe...But if you are a hardcore crimimal murderer/rapist/ terrorist, you get benefits and big houses, no deportation or "worse" case scenario you end up in a 3 star prison with access to sky tv, playstation and some healthy meals and right to exercise and you have the moral support of all the lefty do gooder human rights morons for 5 years or you can check out after 3 years for good behaviour.
Hard working motorists who pay road tax, insurance, congestion charge and MOT gets caught driving 10mph over the limit on the motorway by a scamera. Points and fine on the way to your doorstep and maybe a little court hearing. Plus lets not forget the rise in insurance premium next year! woohoo.
Criminal thieving scum who don't pay for road tax, insurance or Mot, car not even registered at his s
thole address gets caught by speed camera. He gets nothing! Can't even find out where he lives as he hasn't even registered the car with the DVLA etc. Loads of wannabe terrorists, rapists, fake asylum seekers, gang members rinsing the system. No leave them alone, they have human rights! Let's pick on those tough hardcore evil criminals flipping burgers in a "corporate" kitchen and working 60 hours a week for peanuts. They are a real threat to the economy and taking British jobs.
For information, I am against mass and uncontrolled immigration. Hence why I voted for brexit.
On a relatively similar note, I once got offered a position with a bank. Got through a telephone interview, went for assessment day and 2nd interview. Got a verbal offer of employment. But when they found out I needed a work permit, guess what? I was told to p1ss off. So not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation. Fair enough! But here's the tricky part, Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff. Wonderful system, where someone has proved that they can do the job but still not allowed to do so.
And then you see on the news all these criminals (foreign and british chavs) living on benefits and being protected by the system.
Wonderful system!
Edited by vkcs22 on Friday 29th July 20:53
Are these outraged people going to be going to Dover to throw rotten vegetables at lorry drivers who turn in illegals they find in their vehicles because they don't want the £5k (or whatever it is) fine?
Pretty contemptible behaviour trying to put people out of work because an employer has to follow the law.
Pretty contemptible behaviour trying to put people out of work because an employer has to follow the law.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Are these outraged people going to be going to Dover to throw rotten vegetables at lorry drivers who turn in illegals they find in their vehicles because they don't want the £5k (or whatever it is) fine?
Pretty contemptible behaviour trying to put people out of work because an employer has to follow the law.
Could not agree more. As I see it, the deceit of some employees put the business at the mercy of the authorities, to the extent that for the sake of shareholders and other employees, they had no option but to comply.Pretty contemptible behaviour trying to put people out of work because an employer has to follow the law.
vkcs22 said:
On a relatively similar note, I once got offered a position with a bank. Got through a telephone interview, went for assessment day and 2nd interview. Got a verbal offer of employment. But when they found out I needed a work permit, guess what? I was told to p1ss off. So not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation. Fair enough! But here's the tricky part, Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff. Wonderful system, where someone has proved that they can do the job but still not allowed to do so.
What are doing applying for jobs here if you aren't entitled to work here?Which bit of that is too tricky for you?
vkcs22 said:
not only do I have to prove that I can do the job but also that I need to obtain the right visa documentation... Home Office says you need your employer to sponsor you and arrange for your work permit! And your employer says you need to "already" have all your right to leave and remain stuff.
The first part is the law. To work in the UK you need to be EU or another nationality that needs no work permit, or you need a work permit. The second part is an employer that couldn't be bothered with the paperwork. If they had REALLY wanted you and couldn't get anyone else, then they would have sponsored you to get a work permit. But they didn't, because it was laborious and they took an easier route.What part of this are you unhappy about? You say that you want to limit immigration, but when you can't work because you don't have a work permit and the right sort of visa, you complain. It sounds as if you want to be treated differently to everybody else. Why should the authorities do this?
audidoody said:
Lied to get a job is OK with you?
Here's how it works in the real world:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706486/To...
The police cannot even verify who works for them? And they are supposed to be the best in the world?Here's how it works in the real world:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706486/To...
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