So, an American chap is going to skydive without a parachute

[anonymous-user]

amancalledrob said:

popeyewhite said:

Foliage said:

popeyewhite said:

Foliage said:

Muscle memory,

Doesn't exist. However if you practice something over and over and over again people may do it without thinking - in other words a simple reaction - especially when placed in the the situation where that specific action is normally required - Who hasn't stamped on the brake pedal when a front seat passenger in a mate's car?

Yeah, that what you done just describe is muscle memory.

http://lifehacker.com/5799234/how-muscle-memory-wo...

Sure. It's not 'muscle memory' though - very misleading - it's neurons firing in the brain sending movement messages down the spinal column to the muscle. There is no 'muscle memory'. The memory of the movement is stored in the brain, not the muscle, and with practice becomes more deeply embedded, eventually moving to long term memory. Even there though memory of movement can be lost. Tried riding a pushbike after a 30 year lay-off?

I notice it's a Wiki article btw

Muscle memory is a colloquial term that describes exactly what you've outlined above, you insufferable pedant

nobody actually thinks our muscles have memory functions.

[popeyewhite]

amancalledrob said:

I'm always prepared to learn, but I see nothing wrong with describing memory of muscle movement as 'muscle memory'. It does exactly what it says on the tin

If muscle memory doesn't exist, how do we remember how to perform motor tasks?

OK. Movement memory is reinforced with practice. When we ask our body to perform a movement the brain retrieves the necessary information from our short/long term memory about how to do the movement and sends electrical impulses down our spinal column to our muscles which then contract accordingly. Motor skills can also be forgotten if not practised. Remember skateboarding, or using 'clackers' as a kid? (I'm showing my age here ): Try it now and you'll find it's surprisingly difficult. Again.. movements (from simple to complex skills) can all be forgotten without practice as they are 'lost' from (brain) memory.

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

amancalledrob said:

I'm always prepared to learn, but I see nothing wrong with describing memory of muscle movement as 'muscle memory'. It does exactly what it says on the tin

If muscle memory doesn't exist, how do we remember how to perform motor tasks?

OK. Movement memory is reinforced with practice. When we ask our body to perform a movement the brain retrieves the necessary information from our short/long term memory about how to do the movement and sends electrical impulses down our spinal column to our muscles which then contract accordingly. Motor skills can also be forgotten if not practised. Remember skateboarding, or using 'clackers' as a kid? (I'm showing my age here ): Try it now and you'll find it's surprisingly difficult. Again.. movements (from simple to complex skills) can all be forgotten without practice as they are 'lost' from (brain) memory.

Why are you posting this? Nobody is disagreeing with you. Muscle memory is the term for learning motor tasks. Nobody has said it's permanent or stored in the muscle. You're just stating basic facts that most people know. Muscle memory isn't the wrong term in the context of this thread.

[popeyewhite]

el stovey said:

Muscle memory is the term for learning motor tasks.

No, it's not that either.

[hairyben]

NEEP said:

Jimbeaux said:

hairyben said:

Amused that he jumped out of a plane with no parachute but made sure he had a safety hat

That is to set a good example, being a role model and all. We don't want every Tom, Dick, & Harry free falling from the Stratosphere without some head protection. Before we know it, they'll be leaping with improperly cusioned socks. Chaos...dogs and cats sleeping together.....

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 2nd August 14:24

or maybe he just didn't fancy ripping off or friction burning his ears, nose, face when he made contact with the net at a 120mph

Thanks Einstien.

I bet you're the centre of every party right?

[NEEP]

hairyben said:

NEEP said:

Jimbeaux said:

hairyben said:

Amused that he jumped out of a plane with no parachute but made sure he had a safety hat

That is to set a good example, being a role model and all. We don't want every Tom, Dick, & Harry free falling from the Stratosphere without some head protection. Before we know it, they'll be leaping with improperly cusioned socks. Chaos...dogs and cats sleeping together.....

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 2nd August 14:24

or maybe he just didn't fancy ripping off or friction burning his ears, nose, face when he made contact with the net at a 120mph

Thanks Einstien.

I bet you're the centre of every party right?

your a right barrel of laughs yourself, seriously, you should get an agent

[Ayahuasca]

NEEP said:

hairyben said:

NEEP said:

Jimbeaux said:

hairyben said:

Amused that he jumped out of a plane with no parachute but made sure he had a safety hat

That is to set a good example, being a role model and all. We don't want every Tom, Dick, & Harry free falling from the Stratosphere without some head protection. Before we know it, they'll be leaping with improperly cusioned socks. Chaos...dogs and cats sleeping together.....

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 2nd August 14:24

or maybe he just didn't fancy ripping off or friction burning his ears, nose, face when he made contact with the net at a 120mph

Thanks Einstien.

I bet you're the centre of every party right?

your a right barrel of laughs yourself, seriously, you should get an agent

Or maybe he didn't fancy banging his head on exiting the aircraft - or on hitting his fellow jumpers - and knocking himself unconscious, as that would have made the stunt a bit more difficult to pull off.

[Jimbeaux]

NEEP said:

hairyben said:

NEEP said:

Jimbeaux said:

hairyben said:

Amused that he jumped out of a plane with no parachute but made sure he had a safety hat

That is to set a good example, being a role model and all. We don't want every Tom, Dick, & Harry free falling from the Stratosphere without some head protection. Before we know it, they'll be leaping with improperly cusioned socks. Chaos...dogs and cats sleeping together.....

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 2nd August 14:24

or maybe he just didn't fancy ripping off or friction burning his ears, nose, face when he made contact with the net at a 120mph

Thanks Einstien.

I bet you're the centre of every party right?

your a right barrel of laughs yourself, seriously, you should get an agent

Some folks seem immuned to a little levity simply for levity's sake. The world continues to disappoint.