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Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Sunday 2nd October 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
Sorry, what?
Keep up. Everything is racist.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Sunday 2nd October 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
FN2TypeR said:
Einion Yrth said:
don4l said:
Well, I am not a traitor. I was born in London!
As your namesake Donall O Conaill noted, "being born in a stable does not make a man a horse." (Sorry can't be arsed to find the fada).
Sounds like something a BNP or National Front member would say.
Sorry, what?
Viola! They are repurposing it for their own ends, naturally.

https://twitter.com/bnp/status/565995546553622529


turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
Viola! They are repurposing it for their own ends, naturally.

https://twitter.com/bnp/status/565995546553622529
They need to cellout a bit.

brrapp

3,701 posts

161 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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turbobloke said:
FN2TypeR said:
Viola! They are repurposing it for their own ends, naturally.

https://twitter.com/bnp/status/565995546553622529
They need to cellout a bit.
Yes, no need for violins. Just fiddle with the words then get back to bass.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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brrapp said:
turbobloke said:
FN2TypeR said:
Viola! They are repurposing it for their own ends, naturally.

https://twitter.com/bnp/status/565995546553622529
They need to cellout a bit.
Yes, no need for violins. Just fiddle with the words then get back to bass.
yes double bass level, no less.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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getmecoat

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
Why were they mad - the potential economic ramifications for Ireland or some other reason?
The UK is Ireland's biggest export market.

Ireland was never really "Independent". We have had free movement of people and goods since 1921. Ireland even had a currency union with the UK until the 1980s (?).

They now have to choose between the UK and the EU. They cannot have free movement with both the UK and the EU. They also cannot have free trade with both.

The EU has been very good for Ireland. I came here in 1976 because there were no jobs in Ireland. The country is a very different place now.

My gut feel is that Ireland will follow the UK. However, this will require a huge change of mindset. The discussions were just starting when I was over there.





dazwalsh

6,095 posts

140 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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don4l said:
The UK is Ireland's biggest export market.

Ireland was never really "Independent". We have had free movement of people and goods since 1921. Ireland even had a currency union with the UK until the 1980s (?).

They now have to choose between the UK and the EU. They cannot have free movement with both the UK and the EU. They also cannot have free trade with both.

The EU has been very good for Ireland. I came here in 1976 because there were no jobs in Ireland. The country is a very different place now.

My gut feel is that Ireland will follow the UK. However, this will require a huge change of mindset. The discussions were just starting when I was over there.
It wouldn't be out of the question, Ireland do very well attracting foreign investment, and although they have done very well out of the EU, they cant allow trade to be disrupted with the UK, nor the free movement of people. I can see Ireland exiting the EU if the brexit is smooth and relatively pain free and forming a closer alliance with the UK, perhaps adopting sterling too.

infact i can see many other countries then heading for the door, the anti EU parties are gaining traction in many of the EU states.






anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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One question related to supposed 'Brexcuses' is what happens with the companies who supported Brexit?

If any of the companies that supported Brexit take a hit during negotiations or in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawal, and they're in a position where they feel the need to make redundancies, how will that turn out?

With them supporting brexit and saying it'll turn out fine I think they'd be under immense pressure not to make people redundant, even if it makes business sense.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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cookie118 said:
One question related to supposed 'Brexcuses' is what happens with the companies who supported Brexit?

If any of the companies that supported Brexit take a hit during negotiations or in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawal, and they're in a position where they feel the need to make redundancies, how will that turn out?

With them supporting brexit and saying it'll turn out fine I think they'd be under immense pressure not to make people redundant, even if it makes business sense.
It'll turn out fine on whose timescale, theirs or yours?

Was Brexit intended to support businesses that put their weight to the Leave side, or did it have somewhat wider connotations for everyone who voted?

Cameron borrowed Blairite cronyism via gongs for corporate remain supporters after they lost ignominiously, beyond that what is there?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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turbobloke said:
cookie118 said:
One question related to supposed 'Brexcuses' is what happens with the companies who supported Brexit?

If any of the companies that supported Brexit take a hit during negotiations or in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawal, and they're in a position where they feel the need to make redundancies, how will that turn out?

With them supporting brexit and saying it'll turn out fine I think they'd be under immense pressure not to make people redundant, even if it makes business sense.
It'll turn out fine on whose timescale, theirs or yours?

Was Brexit intended to support businesses that put their weight to the Leave side, or did it have somewhat wider connotations for everyone who voted?

Cameron borrowed Blairite cronyism via gongs for corporate remain supporters after they lost ignominiously, beyond that what is there?
I don't quite get what you're getting at here?

Businesses that said that brexit will turn out fine or said that we have nothing to fear from the outcome will surely be under immense pressure not to cut jobs. It was what they recommended, against the prevailing business sentiment.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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cookie118 said:
turbobloke said:
cookie118 said:
One question related to supposed 'Brexcuses' is what happens with the companies who supported Brexit?

If any of the companies that supported Brexit take a hit during negotiations or in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawal, and they're in a position where they feel the need to make redundancies, how will that turn out?

With them supporting brexit and saying it'll turn out fine I think they'd be under immense pressure not to make people redundant, even if it makes business sense.
It'll turn out fine on whose timescale, theirs or yours?

Was Brexit intended to support businesses that put their weight to the Leave side, or did it have somewhat wider connotations for everyone who voted?

Cameron borrowed Blairite cronyism via gongs for corporate remain supporters after they lost ignominiously, beyond that what is there?
I don't quite get what you're getting at here?

Businesses that said that brexit will turn out fine or said that we have nothing to fear from the outcome will surely be under immense pressure not to cut jobs.
Why? Brexit had much wider connotations, and the timescale, as I mentioned, remains important - you want your timescale to apply but it's possible if not likely that some business leaders were looking further ahead and at the bigger picture.

cookie118 said:
It was what they recommended, against the prevailing business sentiment.
It wasn't the prevailing sentiment with SMEs, the lifeblood of the UK economy, and for leaders of big business going with the herd, there's always their gong from Cameron as a reward for getting it wrong.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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cookie118 said:
turbobloke said:
cookie118 said:
One question related to supposed 'Brexcuses' is what happens with the companies who supported Brexit?

If any of the companies that supported Brexit take a hit during negotiations or in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawal, and they're in a position where they feel the need to make redundancies, how will that turn out?

With them supporting brexit and saying it'll turn out fine I think they'd be under immense pressure not to make people redundant, even if it makes business sense.
It'll turn out fine on whose timescale, theirs or yours?

Was Brexit intended to support businesses that put their weight to the Leave side, or did it have somewhat wider connotations for everyone who voted?

Cameron borrowed Blairite cronyism via gongs for corporate remain supporters after they lost ignominiously, beyond that what is there?
I don't quite get what you're getting at here?

Businesses that said that brexit will turn out fine or said that we have nothing to fear from the outcome will surely be under immense pressure not to cut jobs. It was what they recommended, against the prevailing business sentiment.
Setting aside the hollyhocks that everything that happens, positive or negative at some indeterminate point in the future, is the direct result/fault of Brexit what about firms who supported Remain?

If at some point they enjoy an increase in trade or record export orders, are they going to turn round and give workers a bonus for having the good sense to vote Leave. Of course if they are well run there may well be a bonus / profit share system in place, so that would filter through anyway. Or is it a case of, here's ten shillings bonus, but don't say anything to anyone else, where Bob who voted Remain gets a whole pound in his packet.

But it opens up the question of what to do in the event of redundancies. In that world is there now a need for an extra column in the employee redundancy assessment criteria and scoring matrix recording how they voted? As if the nation isn't sufficiently fractured over this already?

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Under pressure to prevent redundancies, due to supporting Brexit? Contrived codswallop never smelt so fishy.

Playing at being pretend politicians isn't in any business leader job descriptions I've seen, anyone who's spotted it in the top jobs columns can always post up.

Businesses which employ good people will want to avoid losing them, and good people who work for good companies will want to avoid losing their jobs. What's new?

GFC

2008 companies opting for pay cuts rather than redundancies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestn...

2008 JCB workers take pay cuts to avoid layoffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/oct/23/j...

2008 10% 15% 20% pay cuts to avoid redundancies.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7de0df5c-a405-11dd-8104-...

Looking forward to the next contrived scenario.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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turbobloke said:
It wasn't the prevailing sentiment with SMEs, the lifeblood of the UK economy, and for leaders of big business going with the herd, there's always their gong from Cameron as a reward for getting it wrong.
Why does this always get quoted? It's a lie that has become fact through repetition.

I did a search for surveys on sme sentiment pre-referendum and from about 9 surveys there were some clearly for remain, some just for remain and only one that showed a pro-leave sentiment.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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cookie118 said:
turbobloke said:
It wasn't the prevailing sentiment with SMEs, the lifeblood of the UK economy, and for leaders of big business going with the herd, there's always their gong from Cameron as a reward for getting it wrong.
Why does this always get quoted? It's a lie that has become fact through repetition.

I did a search for surveys on sme sentiment pre-referendum and from about 9 surveys there were some clearly for remain, some just for remain and only one that showed a pro-leave sentiment.
Are these the same surveys that failed to predict both the rise of UKIP and the outcome of the referendum? Pinch of salt mate.

SMEs are many and various and I think it would depend so many when, where and who factors as to what each felt about Brexit, that the surveys purporting to represent their views are meaningless; worse than those of individual voters.

As for JCB, they will do what they always do; the best for their shareholders. Which is why the company has grown from a £100M turnover business in the mid 1980s, to where it is now, with profits often bigger than that. Since it is a family-owned firm, it was not out of place for Bamford to declare his position if, as clearly he did, he felt strongly about it.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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cookie118 said:
turbobloke said:
It wasn't the prevailing sentiment with SMEs, the lifeblood of the UK economy, and for leaders of big business going with the herd, there's always their gong from Cameron as a reward for getting it wrong.
Why does this always get quoted? It's a lie that has become fact through repetition.
Which bit? The SME sentiment or gongs for remain failure?

Outcry follows leak showing David Cameron has applied to reward Tory donors and senior remain campaign figures.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/31/r...

Anger as remain campaigners scoop honours.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/678855/Ange...

cookie118 said:
I did a search for surveys on sme sentiment pre-referendum and from about 9 surveys there were some clearly for remain, some just for remain and only one that showed a pro-leave sentiment.
When small firm bosses and entrepreneurs spoke out they urged Britons to vote for Brexit, an open letter urged Britons not to listen to "a minority of managers from Britain's largest companies" who want the UK to remain in the EU. I had already seen a survey which portrayed SMEs as evenly split, but (iirc) with 25% of respondents undecided. It may help with perspective to take into account the shy SME factor smile

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

204 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Article said:
A primary school has begun charging its pupils and extra £20 a year for lunch, blaming Brexit for inflated food prices.
Avanti Court Primary School, in London, claimed that 'post-Brexit' food costs were being passed on to the consumer.
Parents were told their pockets would be hit because of the 'depressed currency exchange rate', and they would have to pay more for their children school lunches.
Because #Brexit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3862626/Lo...

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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don4l said:
fblm said:
crankedup said:
People in France seem really uptight over the UK Brexit, I reckon they are jealous smile
My European friends are all slightly jealous but nervous for us. The one exception is my good french friend and his wife who live in London and work for a French bank who are furious because they don't want to move to Paris! hehe
I was over in Ireland a few weeks ago.

The Irish are far more angry than our Remainers. It was fantastic fun.

I had about 15 youngsters screaming at me at one point. They were absolutely convinced that they had beaten me when I admitted that Brexit would not be good for Ireland. I was, after all, clearly a traitor.

Well, I am not a traitor. I was born in London!

This little fact annoys Irish people far more than it annoys you Remainers.

The rage from them was far better than any reaction that I have managed to get here.
Belgium friends of ours are frightfully angry over BREXIT. An outburst over dinner, if your going to leave just go, go, go now!
Reminded me of a very early Moody Blues hit single, laugh at

Mr. White

1,029 posts

103 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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It's happened, a Grauniad journo and his hand-wringing followers are blaming Brexit for Trump's victory.