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[sidicks]

Tampon said:

So only st now, no upside and hopefully fingers crossed (no guarantees as no one can say as we don't know what will happen, as we haven't left, haven't decided how we leave, can't negotiate a trade deals with EU countries until out).

I think it would be fairer to say:
- Uncertainty now
- Limited impact for many people now, some up, some down.
- Greater impact for a few people, again some up, some down.

The real upside (and downside) won't be known for some time (just as the future within the EU was also uncertain).

[anonymous-user]

Tampon said:

sidicks said:

As I explained, clearly the uncertainty is going to be negative in the short-term - that should be no surprise to anyone. When the terms of our deal are known and that uncertainty is removed, that is when you'll see real upside, not short term upside due to FX movements.

Fair enough that is a honest answer.

So only st now, no upside and hopefully fingers crossed (no guarantees as no one can say as we don't know what will happen, as we haven't left, haven't decided how we leave, can't negotiate a trade deals with EU countries until out).

I don't feel positive about the current situation and I don't feel positive about the future based on that.

I'm increasingly confident that the Government will not begin the process until the appointed 'Brexiteers' are able to demonstrate that they can deliver what they promised before the vote. Which we all know won't be deliverable as their promises were pie in the sky, so the liars will be exposed & fired by the end of the year.
Brexit means Brexit is the official line. However it may be just a minor tweak, hopefully as good as the deal which Cameron negotiated before.

[don'tbesilly]

Tampon said:

danllama said:

All this post tells me is that people are stupid and don't understand the situation.

I do hope business picks up for him though. Maybe a promotion/sale will get people in the shop? "shake off those brexit blues with a new 3 piece"

Edited by danllama on Saturday 30th July 10:02

Thanks for the suggestion. There is a sale, nothing, people just not coming through the door. If you aren't looking to buy a car and save your money just in cae, you don't go looking for one.

Costs have risen 20%, plus sale prices mean hardly any profit on anything that might sell.

No profit, no business, even if there were customers.

No business, no employment for staff in 6 months when he can't reach any further into his own pocket to cover the £1k plus a week costs.

People might be stupid (they would say savvy in the climate they are in) as you say but it is happening right now. If the majority of people are doing it then "the people" aren;t stupid, no more than people could say Brexiteers are, but the Economy is slowing down.

Hopefully it is short term, but Dad won't last long, he will probably be fine, he has run his business for 30 odd years and has a nice house he can downsize and commercial property he can sell but the people he will let go might find it particularly tough if others are doing the same.

Edited by Tampon on Saturday 30th July 10:44

Sorry to hear of your Father's woes Tampon, but a couple of suggestions:

Have a word with the landlord, tell them the troubles and perhaps negotiate a rent decrease until times pick up.
Some rent to the landlord is better than zero, a cleverly put together pitch along those lines might well work, and give your Father some breathing space, if you don't ask you'll get c*ck all.

Have a word with the Local authority along similar lines to the above, some business rates are better than none, and I'm sure they would show a sympathetic ear to potential job losses.
Again, worth the ask if only to get a negative answer, don't ask anyway and it's the same as above.

Good luck.

[FiF]

Well a firm I did/do some consultancy work for, engineering products for engineering industry, based in UK and selling in UK, USA and various EU nations has seen a good increase in order intake, both from existing and new customers. Some apprentices are likely to be taken up as full time permanent employees and new apprentices set on.

Could do with more production capacity, but space limits currently, so looking at the ways forward on that.

That's just one small enterprise that's basically good at what they do, with a motivated workforce, but they tell me that others in a similar line of work, essentially cnc machining, are also seeing an upturn.

[Sylvaforever]

turbobloke said:

Like Lloyds with their ongoing staff-cutting programme suddenly blaming Brexit? Spot on.

Not to mention the fact that Brexit wasn't a vote around helping big business it was a vote about the future direction of the country.

Are business leaders really whining about difficult trading - if so they're in the wrong job, expecting no change and money for nothing isn't and never was the way to go about trading. It would be interesting to know if the people making the noise have ever completed a successful start-up or have climbed the greasy pole.

It's either that or they've grown fat and lazy on money for old rope with little effort. Now's the time for talented, innovative and committed business leaders to show some of that talent, innovation and commitment.

Is this phenomenon across all big business or just those looking for blame transfer over cuts? I doubt it's universal. The thought that the whiners have personal self-interest and corporate self-interest at the forefront of their comments must arise. The interests of the country long into the future are not the same thing as securing short-term hassle-free lottery wins for CEOs.

One positive is that when the lower corptax, lower business rates (hopefully) and other incentives kick in, these changes ought to attract the non-whining type of entrepreneur as opposed to bland intrapreneurs.

Probably the most positive post I have read on PH for ages.

Well apart from the SpaceX thread.

[turbobloke]

Jimboka said:

...liars will be exposed & fired by the end of the year...

...hopefully as good as the deal which Cameron negotiated before...

Can't agree on either of those points.

The main 'liars' have already lost their jobs, they were on the Remain side.

The deal which Cameron negotiated was worthless since although it couldn't be reversed (so we were told) it could be overwritten at any time by more formal EU instruments.

We're heading out, and not before time!

[Tampon]

sidicks said:

I think it would be fairer to say:
- Uncertainty now
- Limited impact for many people now, some up, some down.
- Greater impact for a few people, again some up, some down.

The real upside (and downside) won't be known for some time (just as the future within the EU was also uncertain).

The issues i am having and trying to find answers for is the "some up some down", seems to be lots of down for people and one or two ups but no actual experiences here (in a very pro brexit arena) of actual ups.

Very worried it is downs all the way with occasional up.

Definitely feel staying in would have been much better, both short and long term based on expert predictions, consequential events since proving some of those predictions true, lending weight to future predictions. That on top of some back peddling on claims of NHS funding as well as immigration numbers in the future mean I feel uncertain about the future, feel like we have just taken a massive st on the dinner plate and are about to tuck in. Don't like the idea people are telling me "there is a fleck of meat in there somewhere amongst the mouthful of st, keep chewing though, it will turn in steak real soon".

Understand people wanting to leave, don't understand people downplaying issues since or fobbing them off as using Brexit as a excuse. Responsibility has to be taken for the position we are in, right now it isn't great and nothing says otherwise.

Massive hope and desire for it to get better, just no sign of it now (and we haven;t even started with it yet).

[don'tbesilly]

Jimboka said:

Tampon said:

sidicks said:

As I explained, clearly the uncertainty is going to be negative in the short-term - that should be no surprise to anyone. When the terms of our deal are known and that uncertainty is removed, that is when you'll see real upside, not short term upside due to FX movements.

Fair enough that is a honest answer.

So only st now, no upside and hopefully fingers crossed (no guarantees as no one can say as we don't know what will happen, as we haven't left, haven't decided how we leave, can't negotiate a trade deals with EU countries until out).

I don't feel positive about the current situation and I don't feel positive about the future based on that.

Brexit means Brexit is the official line. However it may be just a minor tweak, hopefully as good as the deal which Cameron negotiated before.

So what was so good about the deal that Cameron negotiated before?

What gems did Cameron negotiate that the people who voted leave miss?

Specifics would be good, but possibly too much to ask for.

[Tampon]

don'tbesilly said:

Sorry to hear of your Father's woes Tampon, but a couple of suggestions:

Have a word with the landlord, tell them the troubles and perhaps negotiate a rent decrease until times pick up.
Some rent to the landlord is better than zero, a cleverly put together pitch along those lines might well work, and give your Father some breathing space, if you don't ask you'll get c*ck all.

Have a word with the Local authority along similar lines to the above, some business rates are better than none, and I'm sure they would show a sympathetic ear to potential job losses.
Again, worth the ask if only to get a negative answer, don't ask anyway and it's the same as above.

Good luck.

Thanks for the suggestions. He is in the favourable position of owning all his properties outright, I will mention the rates and see what they say.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Well a firm I did/do some consultancy work for, engineering products for engineering industry, based in UK and selling in UK, USA and various EU nations has seen a good increase in order intake, both from existing and new customers. Some apprentices are likely to be taken up as full time permanent employees and new apprentices set on.

Could do with more production capacity, but space limits currently, so looking at the ways forward on that.

That's just one small enterprise that's basically good at what they do, with a motivated workforce, but they tell me that others in a similar line of work, essentially cnc machining, are also seeing an upturn.

If they have US dollars and euros in their bank account and pay workers in sterling, their uk workforce is now cheaper.

They can still buy and sell in us/euro

[danllama]

RYH64E said:

What a load of bks, 'talented, innovative and committed business leaders' knew what was best for the country and were overwhelmingly in favour of remain, yet now they're having to deal with the inevitable fallout of a decision made by the economically illiterate and you think it's their fault for not rising to the challenge?

dry your eyes mate.

[///ajd]

Ghibli said:

is anyone watching £ sterling at the moment ?

Edit : £ to euro

Edited by Ghibli on Saturday 30th July 12:22

Yes very odd on xe.com

Its been at 1.18/9 all week, the ln jumped to 1.21 around midnight, then back flat to 1.18.

Looks like a mistake in the data doesn't it?

[turbobloke]

From the website of The Independent of all places.

Indy article said:

That future is uncertain, because it will be down to democratic (negotiated) choice. Britain may make the right or wrong choices, but those choices can be corrected through general elections and parliamentary votes. We should be optimistic about that.

[tenfour]

Wills2 said:

They've got to blame something, you can't just put the numbers up and shrug your shoulders.

Seems to work for the French.

[///ajd]

turbobloke said:

RYH64E said:

turbobloke said:

Like Lloyds with their ongoing staff-cutting programme suddenly blaming Brexit? Spot on.

Not to mention the fact that Brexit wasn't a vote around helping big business it was a vote about the future direction of the country.

Are business leaders really whining about difficult trading - if so they're in the wrong job, expecting no change and money for nothing isn't and never was the way to go about trading. It would be interesting to know if the people making the noise have ever completed a successful start-up or have climbed the greasy pole.

It's either that or they've grown fat and lazy on money for old rope with little effort. Now's the time for talented, innovative and committed business leaders to show some of that talent, innovation and commitment.

Is this phenomenon across all big business or just those looking for blame transfer over cuts? I doubt it's universal. The thought that the whiners have personal self-interest and corporate self-interest at the forefront of their comments must arise. The interests of the country long into the future are not the same thing as securing short-term hassle-free lottery wins for CEOs.

One positive is that when the lower corptax, lower business rates (hopefully) and other incentives kick in, these changes ought to attract the non-whining type of entrepreneur as opposed to bland intrapreneurs.

What a load of bks...

Thanks for your considered opinion, which is not only crude but misjudged.

RYH64E said:

...'talented, innovative and committed business leaders' knew what was best for the country and were overwhelmingly in favour of remain...

Not at all. I referred in my post to greasy pole climbers in big business, and the entrepreneurs who have experienced a successful start-up (and are growing it), both may well be successful in the financial sense so well done to both but there are differences.

Big business, tending to be more sclerotic, was generally against Brexit, small businesses were generally in favour of Brexit, in the manner of such generalisations.

I'd bet a shilling on the side that the talent, commitment and innovation are rich on the SME side. Keeping heads down below the parapet and plodding on more so on the big side.

RYH64E said:

...yet now they're having to deal with the inevitable fallout of a decision made by the economically illiterate and you think it's their fault for not rising to the challenge?

When you wrongly specified 'economically illiterate' it was pleasing to note that you forgot to add 'xenophobic' and a couple of other inappropriate insults.

The referendum was about the future direction of the country, not short-term headlines about specific businesses of any particular size in any particular sector.

As you were/are a diehard Remainer, hopefully you planned ahead rather than rely on hope and your business is OK - did you not post about record turnover and/or profit not long ago?

If you follow this logic, it means anyone in a big company is an idiot dinosaur who won't cope with brexit?

That would mean Nissan, JLR, Airbus, Rolls, Ford, Vauxhall, BMWMini - they are all staffed by morons according to you and if they decamp to the EU you won't care as there will be loads of brilliant SMEs that will take up the slack. Do you recall the surveys that said most SMEs thought immigration and FMOL was a good thing? How do you think most of them voted? Do you think the

What a spectacular post.

[Tampon]

turbobloke said:

From the website of The Independent of all places.

Indy article said:

That future is uncertain, because it will be down to democratic (negotiated) choice. Britain may make the right or wrong choices, but those choices can be corrected through general elections and parliamentary votes. We should be optimistic about that.

I am with you on that one Turbo.

Just might be expecting different things from the same statement!

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

If you follow this logic, it means anyone in a big company is an idiot dinosaur who won't cope with brexit?

Your logic maybe but not mine.

My post mentioned the non-universal nature of big business and the reaction to Brexit, and spoke of the tendency to greater inertia in big companies, not the inevitability of it, nor that the people involved are idiot dinosaurs which is a description entirely of your own fabrication.

///ajd said:

What a spectacular post.

Thanks - followed by a spectacular and seemingly deliberate misinterpretation / misrepresentation.

[turbobloke]

Tampon said:

turbobloke said:

From the website of The Independent of all places.

Indy article said:

That future is uncertain, because it will be down to democratic (negotiated) choice. Britain may make the right or wrong choices, but those choices can be corrected through general elections and parliamentary votes. We should be optimistic about that.

I am with you on that one Turbo.

Just might be expecting different things from the same statement!

The context of the snip was Brexit the act not the "won't happen" Brexit u-turn

[Tampon]

turbobloke said:

The context of the snip was Brexit the act not the u-turn

Fingers crossed for me then

Genuinely though that quote does give me some hope that things will be leveled up. At the moment the options are so polarised that either a large portion of the country would feel like me and the other half like you.

Hopefully with time and democracy a suitable situation can be sought. That means listening to the 48 % as well as the 52% and the outcome giving some satisfaction as to what the advisory referendum should mean for the direction of the country. Certainly the majority of people didn't like the idea of the EU, whatever their understanding of it was. Hopefully this will make people assess what it actual means and what we do in relation to it. A general election fought over what to do in the future would have just as much weight of the people as the referendum and be democratic, it would also have more legal basis to be followed.

Main thing would be some good things coming out of our decision, if dads business goes under then it goes under, it isn't the end of the world, but I do hope for some positive things for his employees (3 of vocally voted out! I would hate to think how they are feeling about it now watching their boss sweat glass shards).

I folded my business and let people go after 10 years in the last recession, worrying about others mortgages when you are struggling to pay your own is not nice. Not as bad as losing your job and having no where to go though.

Edited to add - you asked earlier about PhD and project funding being money given back to us from the EU. I forgot to answer, sorry. As I understand it, and I feel I have a decent grasp, Britain gets a very large share of project funding both scientific, arts and cultural as we are a hub for all of the things within the EU. Losing that would have an adverse effect on all of these research development projects as well as institutions within Britain as the government (who aren't massive supporters of this type of development, partly due to the funding we can get from other sources ie the EU ) are more than likely, not going to plug the gap as the benefits of the research tend to advance humans in general rather than tangible individual businesses or countries. The trickle down effect though is benefial to a country, both for the workforce and for businesses, with people coming here to learn and develop as well as companies wanting the best people.

Edited by Tampon on Saturday 30th July 13:58

[///ajd]

turbobloke said:

///ajd said:

If you follow this logic, it means anyone in a big company is an idiot dinosaur who won't cope with brexit?

Your logic maybe but not mine.

My post mentioned the non-universal nature of big business and the reaction to Brexit, and spoke of the tendency to greater inertia in big companies, not the inevitability of it, nor that the people involved are idiot dinosaurs which is a description entirely of your own fabrication.

///ajd said:

What a spectacular post.

Nope.

Your post is there for all to see. "Big business = muppets" according to TB. I'm sure you thought it made sense when you were typing it.

Such obvious b0110cks is not gong to cut it though is it?

Thanks - followed by a spectacular and seemingly deliberate misinterpretation / misrepresentation.