Pupils given detention because parents can't afford.....

Pupils given detention because parents can't afford.....

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Strocky

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2,642 posts

113 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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dxg said:
Strocky said:
Lunch isolation would only be embarrassing at lunch time, they should be made to wear a permanent mark of shame
What, like a yellow cloth star or something?
That's so last season, I'm thinking something puce

vladcjelli

2,965 posts

158 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Barry Smith on the lookout for non payers


Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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I wonder how many kids will be in Lunch Isolation? Possibly enough to fill a table. How will they know they're being isolated?

Or does the term reflect the replacement lunch being issued?

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

132 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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The English in that letter is appalling and I'm about as far as you get from being a grammar nazi.

Crush

15,077 posts

169 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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dxg said:
Strocky said:
Lunch isolation would only be embarrassing at lunch time, they should be made to wear a permanent mark of shame
What, like a yellow cloth star or something?
Oh come on, this isn't the NUS

surveyor

17,809 posts

184 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Does that imply that people are expected to pay for a full term of school lunches up front? For some families, with more than one kid especially that looks unduly harsh.

I used to get the text messages from our daughters school. Eventually got pissed off with the constant demands for money and redirected them to my wife (probably where it should have been in the first place!).


Derek Smith

45,612 posts

248 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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“01 June 2016

“Dear Families,

“The deadline for this term’s lunch payments was 1st June 2016. You are now one week over due.

“You are currently £75 overdue. If this full amount is not received within this week your child will be placed in Lunch Isolation from Monday 13th June 2016.

“They will receive a Sandwich and piece of fruit only. They will spend the entire sixty minutes period in lunch isolation.

“Only when the entire outstanding sum is paid in full will they be allowed into family lunch with their classmates.”

Thanks Barry. Some observations.

You write the first date as 01 June 2016, then use 1st June and 13th June. Both types of date are acceptable. However, style should be consistent.

You use over due initially then use overdue. The first means above due. That is nonsense.

‘If this full amount is not received within this week’ If the full amount is not received by . . . Picky criticism, but shouldn’t deputy heads set examples?

Neither lunch not isolation should have an initial capital; nor should sandwich in the next sentence.

‘entire sixty minutes period’ is a pleonasm. Sixty minutes is a period of time.

And ‘entire sum is paid in full’ is one also. Entire sum is paid, or, the sum is paid in full. It is not difficult.

If the chap was being paid by the word then I would have some sympathy. However, it would be very little.

On a more contentious note, ‘a sandwich and piece of fruit only’ is to be avoided. There are two items so only is incorrect. ‘just a sandwich and a piece of fruit’ reads much better.

Further, while emphasis by bold type is not something to be avoided utterly, overuse of it is.

I would be upset by the lack of readable signature: very poor and lackadaisical.


brickwall

5,246 posts

210 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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I mean, I'm as massive a Gove fan as they come, and that seems a bit nuts. Barry Smith in particular seems to almost have a festish for victorian school discipline.

voyds9

8,488 posts

283 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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[quote=Löyly]Teaches the kids a good lesson. Don't get into debt you can't pay.
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Teaches kids a life lesson

There is such a thing as a free lunch.

valiant

10,178 posts

160 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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I only have a sandwich and a piece of fruit for lunch and I'm 43!

Is work subconsciously telling me that I should be paying more for lunch? Mind you, a bit of 'lunch isolation' would sometimes be preferable to some of the muppets I have lunch with...

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Countdown said:
Arbeit macht frei. frown

Ms Birbalsingh is a bit nutty.
She does have that look about her....


davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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If you knew when the deadline was and couldn't afford it, you have three things to do.

1)Apply for free school meals
2)If that doesn't work, ring the school and explain the situation
3)Prepare sandwiches

It would appear that this parent decided to do none of those things. That really is extreme fecklessness.

zarjaz1991

3,480 posts

123 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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davepoth said:
If you knew when the deadline was and couldn't afford it, you have three things to do.

1)Apply for free school meals
2)If that doesn't work, ring the school and explain the situation
3)Prepare sandwiches

It would appear that this parent decided to do none of those things. That really is extreme fecklessness.
I agree.

Completely out of order to punish the child though.

I wish that'd been tried on me back in the day. It'd have been worth persuading my parents to deliberately not pay just for the fun I could have had with that one. (I was a bit of a rebellious child)

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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zarjaz1991 said:
I agree.

Completely out of order to punish the child though.
It's just a threat of punishing the child though. This gives the parents a week in which they can do any of the three things above to avoid the potential punishment.

Even then, I'm not certain it's a punishment to the child, long term. The earlier it learns that the way it's being raised is sub-standard, the better.

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

136 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Some people on here have some very strange ideas.


I can't see that any situation should exist where a child is put on a punishment routine for a payment being late by a week.

Though it does sound like this school is run on some pretty odd lines anyway.

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Jonesy23 said:
Some people on here have some very strange ideas.


I can't see that any situation should exist where a child is put on a punishment routine for a payment being late by a week.
Payment was late by a week and it was a warning that there would be punishment a week later, not punishment as such. If the parents still couldn't be arsed to do anything about it (and as I outlined above there are several things they could do that didn't mean paying) then it's their problem IMO.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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davepoth said:
If you knew when the deadline was and couldn't afford it, you have three things to do.

1)Apply for free school meals
2)If that doesn't work, ring the school and explain the situation
3)Prepare sandwiches

It would appear that this parent decided to do none of those things. That really is extreme fecklessness.
1) you still have to pay until the application is approved
2) Fair enough, but reading the website they don't seem the most flexible.
3) not allowed.

"We are a vegetarian school. All pupils attend family lunch daily. There are no exceptions. There are no packed lunches at Michaela. No food or drink is to be brought on to the school site. This includes all sweets, snacks, drinks and chewing gum. The school provides morning and afternoon snacks for all pupils as well as a two course lunch."


Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 30th July 01:06

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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davepoth said:
Payment was late by a week and it was a warning that there would be punishment a week later, not punishment as such. If the parents still couldn't be arsed to do anything about it (and as I outlined above there are several things they could do that didn't mean paying) then it's their problem IMO.
why cant they "pay as you go"?
It's not a private school.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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AJS- said:
I'm a pretty hard line capitalist on most things but that is stty.

Can't they just sell the debt to a collection agency or something? So that they can be hounded out of their homes by vicious thus instead?)
Me too. This is completely fked up.

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

136 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Looking at their rules and some of their blogs I was half expecting the uniform policy to say the sole retailer was Hugo Boss.

It's like some fascists utopian ideal of how to raise children, not by teaching but just by enforcement.

Little details like being purely vegetarian just make the alarm bells ring louder.