Pupils given detention because parents can't afford.....

Pupils given detention because parents can't afford.....

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Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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zarjaz1991 said:
All the child will learn is that if you do something wrong, it's ok because someone else who's entirely innocent and involved, will get punished.
A great management training exercise then biggrin

Paul Dishman

4,676 posts

236 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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bhstewie said:
I think that's a wind-up

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
educational sociopath said:
At the end of the school day, there are lots of detentions. At lunch, there are lots of detentions.
[...]

You send your kids to Michaela, they’ll laugh a lot
When?
The day after they move to the next school.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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I'm surprised, this sounds exactly the sort of school the stereotypical PH'er would send their kids to.

I read an article earlier that said the ethos of the school is basically "These are our rules, don't send your children here if you won't support us" which reminded me of that cartoon that sometimes gets posted here when referring to 'promising young footballers' where in the past the parents would be shouting at their kid for misbehaving or performing poorly but in the present they'd be shouting at the teacher instead.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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raftom said:
bhstewie said:
Good grief!

educational sociopath said:
As a teacher you have to care enough to be tough with kids. You have to care enough not to indulge their bad habits. You have to care enough not to collude with society’s permissive values, the broader excuse culture which, my take, blights lives. Zero tolerance discipline is caring enough not to collude with or give way to parents whose values aren’t in line with the school’s.

You send your child to Michaela and he’s going to receive a superb education, in silent classrooms, where kids sit up straight, arms folded, no pen fiddling, no doodling, no gazing out the window or whispering to your mates on the sly.

You send your kid to Michaela and he’s going to be safe in the yard, the corridors, toilets, on the stairs, in the changing rooms, at the bus stop.

You send your kid to Michaela and he can be clever, hard-working, keen, put his hand up every lesson all lesson, use long words, express his ideas articulately and at length, talk about which university he’d like to go to – all of that – without any fear of being mocked or called gay.

You send your daughter to Michaela she won’t be sexually harassed by male pupils. Corridors and lesson change overs are silent. Pupils walk in single file. Your daughter will be completely jewellery and make-up free.

You send your son or daughter to Michaela and you don’t have to worry that they’ll dread lunchtime because they’re friendless. Every child sits according to the seating plan teachers have designed.

Every lesson, every child has a full pencil case. No excuses.

Every lesson, books are distributed in silence, in seconds.

Every break, 240 kids fall instantly silent when any adult raises their hand.

Every lunch, 240 kids serve one another, clear up after one another, say please and thank you to one another.

There’s no pushing, shoving, name calling, swearing, graffiti, litter, sexual harassment, pressure to be ‘street’, pressure to underperform.

At the end of the school day, there are lots of detentions. At lunch, there are lots of detentions.

You haven’t done your homework, you ‘forgot’ your homework, you ‘forgot’ your pen, you ‘slept in’, you rushed your homework – detention.

You send your kids to Michaela, they’ll learn loads, they’ll feel massively accomplished, they’ll feel safe, they’ll have great relationships with their teachers, they’ll learn to be polite, shake hands firmly, make eye contact, greet new people with pride, have self respect, respect others – they’ll laugh a lot, they’ll have the confidence to be themselves, they won’t need to feign a tough, street, anti academic, aggressive persona – just to survive.

Kids at Michaela work hard and are kind to one another – in every lesson, all day long, every day.

None of that happens by accident. It happens because of our version of zero tolerance.

We give them love. We give them tough love.
I read a few of those blog posts. That guy has some serious issues, to say the least. What kind of parent would send their kid there? The kind who can't cram in enough emotional abuse at home and want them to suffer at school too, I think.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Oakey said:
I'm surprised, this sounds exactly the sort of school the stereotypical PH'er would send their kids to.
stereotype
noun
1.
a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.



So, yeah; Stereotypical, not archetypical.

21TonyK

11,494 posts

208 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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"You send your kids to Michaela, they’ll learn loads, they’ll feel massively accomplished, they’ll feel safe, they’ll have great relationships with their teachers, they’ll learn to be polite, shake hands firmly, make eye contact, greet new people with pride, have self respect, respect others – they’ll laugh a lot, they’ll have the confidence to be themselves, they won’t need to feign a tough, street, anti academic, aggressive persona – just to survive."

Both my kids have achieved this without going to "Michaela". They go to one of the most liberal schools in the area, only just adopted uniform after great protest from some parents

Daughter has an unconditional offer for a degree in Architecture, son is on track for A-level maths with engineering and physics. Both at Straight a, a* students. Not bad for a hippy arts school wink

Education is so much more than academic achievement, its about developing children into young adults. Giving the skills and sense of value to move into adult life.

I suspect "Michaela" students are and aspiration of their parents.


stitched

3,813 posts

172 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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I don't have a problem with the ethos of the school. it seemed by its advertisement to be a school I would be sending my children to.
However yoou look at it though punishing a child because another person has infringed the rules is wrong on so many levels.

Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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raftom said:
educational sociopath said:
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At the end of the school day, there are lots of detentions. At lunch, there are lots of detentions.

You haven’t done your homework, you ‘forgot’ your homework, you ‘forgot’ your pen, you ‘slept in’, you rushed your homework – detention.
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The bits about detention seem at odds with the rest.

Countdown

39,685 posts

195 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Ms Birbalsingh has many admirers, people such as Toby Young and Michael Gove

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/i-have-seen-cla...

ian in lancs said:
In my experience, teachers, including lecturers, fall into three categories; the inspired educators with a calling that still I respect and admire and had a life changing influence, the low achievers that wouldn't amount to much in the real word and a host of mediocre academics that drift into education as an easy option. Unfortunately the latter two dominate the education system in the UK and result in bks like this letter. My wife and I have dealings with a couple of prestige universities and a three local colleges - I never cease to be amazed with the petty politics and administrative incompetence that would never be tolerated in business.

Edited by ian in lancs on Saturday 30th July 08:27
I have to say your experience of teachers is different to mine. I've worked as an FD in setting up 2 Academies. The one thing that struck me was how dedicated the teachers were. It's not a role that you go into for money, there were at least 3 people I knew who had given up high-paid jobs in banking and IT to retrain as Teachers. The reason they did it was because they got far more job satisfaction in teaching. they cared about the kids, they wanted to help them get better qualifications and hopefully have more fulfilling lives. Both schools were inner city "failing" schools, kids from single parent families, who were lucky if their parents woke them up, got them changed into school uniform and fed them a decent breakfast before they sent them to school. It's quite a challenging and often scary environment to have to teach in. People (IME) don't "drift" into it because they're low achievers or whatever.

zarjaz1991

3,470 posts

122 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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stitched said:
I don't have a problem with the ethos of the school. it seemed by its advertisement to be a school I would be sending my children to.
However yoou look at it though punishing a child because another person has infringed the rules is wrong on so many levels.
I think it sounds a ghastly place that is emotionally abusing children.

Not allowing children to talk to their friends and punishing them if they do, dictating who children can sit with at lunchtimes...it is emotional abuse. It will lead to children who grow up unable to relate to other people and handle normal social interactions. It is absolutely criminal to treat defenceless children in this way.

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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BlackLabel said:
But school meals are free for kids whose parents are on benefits and/or are low paid. Nevertheless this sounds like some kind of bizarre and ott debt collection scheme - humiliating a child because of the actions of their parents is a bit fked up.

How on earth can someone who is clearly incapable of writing a very simple letter in a coherent fashion become a deputy head teacher?

Serious question.

turbobloke

103,735 posts

259 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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AJL308 said:
How on earth can someone who is clearly incapable of writing a very simple letter in a coherent fashion become a deputy head teacher?

Serious question.
Serious answer - they apply, go through the selection process, receive an offer, and accept it! Best of the bunch, probably. Just be grateful you haven't seen a letter written by the unsuccessful applicants wink

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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zarjaz1991 said:
It will lead to children who grow up unable to relate to other people and handle normal social interactions.
Well at least the next generation of PH'ers is assured, every cloud and all that.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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So to get a free lunch all your kid has to do is sit on their own in a supervised room reading a book?

Seems like a win win to my parental eyes.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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desolate said:
1) you still have to pay until the application is approved
2) Fair enough, but reading the website they don't seem the most flexible.
3) not allowed.

"We are a vegetarian school. All pupils attend family lunch daily. There are no exceptions. There are no packed lunches at Michaela. No food or drink is to be brought on to the school site. This includes all sweets, snacks, drinks and chewing gum. The school provides morning and afternoon snacks for all pupils as well as a two course lunch."


Edited by desolate on Saturday 30th July 01:06
Ah. So how on earth can they be £75 in arrears for greens??

Otispunkmeyer

12,553 posts

154 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
educational sociopath said:
At the end of the school day, there are lots of detentions. At lunch, there are lots of detentions.
[...]

You send your kids to Michaela, they’ll laugh a lot
When?
When? when they're programmed to. Probably have laughing lessons....(I tried to be clever and find a clip of Jeremy Clarkson, meeting the neighbours in Germany by attending a laughing class at the local church. But I failed).


Countdown

39,685 posts

195 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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zarjaz1991 said:
It will lead to children who grow up unable to relate to other people and handle normal social interactions.
It's doubtful, especially if their parents spend some time with their own kids. Parents have a far bigger influence on how well or badly their kids turn out. Kids can go to the most expensive private school in the country and turn out to be maladjusted ignoramuses, or the roughest comprehensive and come out with A/A* grades.

School isn't the only (or even main) place where you learn how to behave. Although some parents seem to think it is.

bhstewie said:
Well at least the next generation of PH'ers is assured, every cloud and all that.
biggrin

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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I hope none of the teachers have any CCJs, if so they need to be put into isolation.

Cucking Funts!

Ian Geary

4,462 posts

191 months

Sunday 31st July 2016
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raftom said:
educational sociopath said:
As a teacher you have to care enough to be tough with kids. You have to care enough not to indulge their bad habits. You have to care enough not to collude with society’s permissive values, the broader excuse culture which, my take, blights lives. Zero tolerance discipline is caring enough not to collude with or give way to parents whose values aren’t in line with the school’s.

You send your child to Michaela and he’s going to receive a superb education, in silent classrooms, where kids sit up straight, arms folded, no pen fiddling, no doodling, no gazing out the window or whispering to your mates on the sly.

You send your kid to Michaela and he’s going to be safe in the yard, the corridors, toilets, on the stairs, in the changing rooms, at the bus stop.

You send your kid to Michaela and he can be clever, hard-working, keen, put his hand up every lesson all lesson, use long words, express his ideas articulately and at length, talk about which university he’d like to go to – all of that – without any fear of being mocked or called gay.

You send your daughter to Michaela she won’t be sexually harassed by male pupils. Corridors and lesson change overs are silent. Pupils walk in single file. Your daughter will be completely jewellery and make-up free.

You send your son or daughter to Michaela and you don’t have to worry that they’ll dread lunchtime because they’re friendless. Every child sits according to the seating plan teachers have designed.

Every lesson, every child has a full pencil case. No excuses.

Every lesson, books are distributed in silence, in seconds.

Every break, 240 kids fall instantly silent when any adult raises their hand.

Every lunch, 240 kids serve one another, clear up after one another, say please and thank you to one another.

There’s no pushing, shoving, name calling, swearing, graffiti, litter, sexual harassment, pressure to be ‘street’, pressure to underperform.

At the end of the school day, there are lots of detentions. At lunch, there are lots of detentions.

You haven’t done your homework, you ‘forgot’ your homework, you ‘forgot’ your pen, you ‘slept in’, you rushed your homework – detention.

You send your kids to Michaela, they’ll learn loads, they’ll feel massively accomplished, they’ll feel safe, they’ll have great relationships with their teachers, they’ll learn to be polite, shake hands firmly, make eye contact, greet new people with pride, have self respect, respect others – they’ll laugh a lot, they’ll have the confidence to be themselves, they won’t need to feign a tough, street, anti academic, aggressive persona – just to survive.

Kids at Michaela work hard and are kind to one another – in every lesson, all day long, every day.

None of that happens by accident. It happens because of our version of zero tolerance.

We give them love. We give them tough love.
To be honest, there's a lot of stuff in there that I like the sound of. But quite a bit I don't.

So, the focus on study, lack of low level disruption etc. is good. But is their strict discipline the only way to achieve that?

Dunno. Assuming they're not cherry picking pupils, it reads as if they've got more than their fair share of trouble makers. There system obviously works, as the school is being endorsed by parents choosing it (though of course we don't know what alternative capacity is around locally for that age range).

Whilst it might sound pee-boiling read in this context, I wouldn't be happy if a teenage kid of mine was getting held back by the various issues set out in that text.


I don't like the idea of enforcing vegetarianism on kids...but then again, my kids school is enforcing food "standards" on pupils (aka healthy eating), so am I being hypocritical when I support the principle but just not the choice?

Who knows.

My wife tells me the letter is doing the rounds on facebook, so they'll be plenty more gurning to come yet.


Ian