car needs welding , no surprise , cost?

car needs welding , no surprise , cost?

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big trousers

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39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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ive got a 106 gti, most of the parts are solid enough, just underneath its a bit of a rusty pile, im in the mindset of keeping this car , how much would it cost to make this shell brand new again? the actual panels of the bodywork have no rust (apart from the bonnet).

its quite a small car so cant see it costing the earth to do, has anyone got any rough idea what this will likely cost?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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big trousers said:
ive got a 106 gti, most of the parts are solid enough, just underneath its a bit of a rusty pile, im in the mindset of keeping this car , how much would it cost to make this shell brand new again? the actual panels of the bodywork have no rust (apart from the bonnet).

its quite a small car so cant see it costing the earth to do, has anyone got any rough idea what this will likely cost?
FAR more than it's worth. Break it and buy a better one.

big trousers

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Saturday 30th July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
FAR more than it's worth. Break it and buy a better one.
looking around the only better ones are fetching thousands, shirley welding up the chassis to keep it going for another decade will turn it into a nice one?

i dont want to buy someone elses raft, my intentions are to turbo it eventually and would rather know exactly what work has gone into it, when i had the wheels off the brake lines etc are all in good condition, looking under the back end though it looks like a rust bomb has exploded, im assuming most of the 106s that are left will require some upheaval to get them up to the standard i will be happy tanking it on b roads, my last gti i spent 3k on, it was mint, regret getting rid of it now.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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big trousers said:
shirley welding up the chassis to keep it going for another decade will turn it into a nice one?
I think you're massively underestimating the amount of work involved in anything other than short-term patching.

big trousers

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TooMany2cvs said:
I think you're massively underestimating the amount of work involved in anything other than short-term patching.
how many hours are we speaking for an entire refurb of the chassis? it would already be stripped to be worked on so there would be no engine/interior removal

big trousers

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39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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the way im thinking is buying another shell for 500/1k is just going to be the same problem next year, i want to keep this car as a long term project, the actual shell is pretty mint but the underside is not.

should of took pics when i was over at it today

battered

4,088 posts

146 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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About a pound per inch of welding plus panels. How rotten is it? Any suspension stripping or just sills etc? Learn to weld, it's cheap enough. Just laborious.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

134 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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This is literally impossible to quote. You need to find a restoration workshop local to you who can take a look. If the underside was full of holes etc, especially structural that requires the shell being pulled apart to repair properly, replacement panels fabricated etc, possibly the shell dipped or blasted before any work is done, you could easily be at £5k.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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big trousers said:
TooMany2cvs said:
I think you're massively underestimating the amount of work involved in anything other than short-term patching.
how many hours are we speaking for an entire refurb of the chassis? it would already be stripped to be worked on so there would be no engine/interior removal
How long's a piece of string...?
Are panels available?
Will you be dipping/blasting the shell to bare metal?
How will you be refinishing and protecting it afterwards?

AdamIndy

1,661 posts

103 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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It's impossible to say without anyone actually seeing it. Is there a couple of small holes? Surface rust? Does the entire underside of the car need refabricating?

It will range from £20 to thousands depending on what needs doing. If it's that bad then just reshell it. Take everything off yours and put it on a clean shell.

big trousers

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39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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AdamIndy said:
It's impossible to say without anyone actually seeing it. Is there a couple of small holes? Surface rust? Does the entire underside of the car need refabricating?

It will range from £20 to thousands depending on what needs doing. If it's that bad then just reshell it. Take everything off yours and put it on a clean shell.
surface rust mainly by the looks of it, the bonnet underside is fairly rust ridden at the lower edge, it still handles solid enough on the road, when i had the wheels off the suspension looked good, the car has been sitting for about a year though there are no holes in the boot and i couldnt physically press any holes through any of the rusty parts, its not like the chassis is falling to bits on me while driving, theres rust around the suspension bolts and pretty much every other bolt butt thats to be expected on a car nearly as old as myself.

big trousers

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39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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might have to find myself an out of work fabricator now that oil is cheap lol.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

134 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Sounds like the best thing to do is strip it to a bare shell, get the underside blasted and go from there, you might be left with very little good metal, or you could just need a few small areas patched and the underside re-protected.

A car that looks 'okay' can quickly become much worse when you start to dig around underneath it.

big trousers

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39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Digitalize said:
Sounds like the best thing to do is strip it to a bare shell, get the underside blasted and go from there, you might be left with very little good metal, or you could just need a few small areas patched and the underside re-protected.

A car that looks 'okay' can quickly become much worse when you start to dig around underneath it.
just got shot of my 645 that had nothing but electrical faults lol, time to go back to cars with little electrical components to go wrong.

plus cant beat throwing a hot hatch around on b roads, or maybe im just having a very early mid-life crisis.

mikemike08

1,609 posts

93 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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I guarantee after you spend £1000 on welding, in 2 years itll be the same

SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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It sounds like you have to make a choice.One you patch it for Mot or restoration project if you wish to keep the car a while?
I have done a few,luckily did a welding course for a year NVQ.

The rust you see,will always get bigger once you start cutting away to find good metal.

As my teacher used to say, at college the difference between a good welder and a bad one?

Answer is 1000hours he was right.


big trousers

Original Poster:

39 posts

92 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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SEE YA said:
It sounds like you have to make a choice.One you patch it for Mot or restoration project if you wish to keep the car a while?
I have done a few,luckily did a welding course for a year NVQ.

The rust you see,will always get bigger once you start cutting away to find good metal.

As my teacher used to say, at college the difference between a good welder and a bad one?

Answer is 1000hours he was right.
ive done a spot of welding on a marine engineering course, not sure id be able to apply gas welding miniature rudders to restoring a car chassis though, plus my welding always looked st, all the decent looking 106s available at the moment are going for thousands, a cheap shell will likely have just as much or more problems than this car, i should add it was booked into kwik fit as ive just moved house lol, not sure if their expertise is to be trusted.

996TT02

3,308 posts

139 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Buy a boggo clean 106 and transfer all the go faster bits to it.

It will cost you around 1/4 the cost of doing up the rust on yours, which do-up will probably need re-doing very soon.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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If you have the time, spaceand inclination, why not buy a welder and a spares or repairs 106 and teach yourself?

Arc eye is serious though - DON'T underestimate it.

big trousers

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996TT02 said:
Buy a boggo clean 106 and transfer all the go faster bits to it.

It will cost you around 1/4 the cost of doing up the rust on yours, which do-up will probably need re-doing very soon.
the clean ones are going for 4k+ at the moment, the poorer quality ones are around a grand with alot of work needing done, most of these cars have been wrapped round trees by now, i witnessed with my own eyes a 106 gti die at the hands of a piss poor driver, came off the roundabout at aberdeen beach, floored it to impress whoever his passenger was, ends up wiping out a lampost in a straight line, standard brakes with a 1,8 engine.

did have a good giggle at their expense so it wasnt for nothing