this guy whose wife had to clear him
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Is there a thread on this somewhere
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...
It seems to be another case of conviction where the evidence really wasnt there
The wife went out and found some contrary and the conviction was quashed
If she hadn't managed to find any would the guy still be locked up?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...
It seems to be another case of conviction where the evidence really wasnt there
The wife went out and found some contrary and the conviction was quashed
If she hadn't managed to find any would the guy still be locked up?
saaby93 said:
Is there a thread on this somewhere
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...
It seems to be another case of conviction where the evidence really wasnt there
The wife went out and found some contrary and the conviction was quashed
If she hadn't managed to find any would the guy still be locked up?
I don't know how these people find the strength and they were not together at the time of the trial she could have easily walked away. even now the Police are doing everything to damage him.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshi...
It seems to be another case of conviction where the evidence really wasnt there
The wife went out and found some contrary and the conviction was quashed
If she hadn't managed to find any would the guy still be locked up?
If memory serves the lady in charge of thee cps has put quotas on rape prosecutions.....
Can't remember exactly but because of it there have been thousands more prosecutions but very few extra convictions. I'm sure this hasn't led to ashes being brought when they shouldn't
And of course prosecution slowing down videos to try and prove random stranger fingered a woman he walked passed while his hand were full. She off course hasn't been charged with anything or named.
Can't remember exactly but because of it there have been thousands more prosecutions but very few extra convictions. I'm sure this hasn't led to ashes being brought when they shouldn't
And of course prosecution slowing down videos to try and prove random stranger fingered a woman he walked passed while his hand were full. She off course hasn't been charged with anything or named.
A similar story was published in the Telegraph a week or so ago - another case of a wife doing the work that the police should have done.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/fire-ch...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/fire-ch...
I posted something very similar on the Saville thread last Sunday. A ex Firechief being jailed on the whim of a f. money grabber.
Will they jail the perpetrator of this injustice?
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A real case of 'Stand by your Man'! Well done that lady for sticking at it. She deserves an honour!
And what utter incompetence by those (Dorset police and CPS) involved which lead to an totally innocent man being accused of raping a schoolboy and jailed for eight and a half years at the age of 63 in 2013 - his conviction quashed last week by the Court of Appeal, but he's spent 3 years inside.
Real shake head time as Dorset Police reply with the usual crap, ie it takes allegations of this nature very seriously... Yeah.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/fire-ch...
Again, well done that courageous lady and wife. You did the job for the incompetents!
Edit
Oops, same story you've quoted above Blacklabel.
Still stinks though.
Will they jail the perpetrator of this injustice?
Copied to here:
A real case of 'Stand by your Man'! Well done that lady for sticking at it. She deserves an honour!
And what utter incompetence by those (Dorset police and CPS) involved which lead to an totally innocent man being accused of raping a schoolboy and jailed for eight and a half years at the age of 63 in 2013 - his conviction quashed last week by the Court of Appeal, but he's spent 3 years inside.
Real shake head time as Dorset Police reply with the usual crap, ie it takes allegations of this nature very seriously... Yeah.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/fire-ch...
Again, well done that courageous lady and wife. You did the job for the incompetents!
Edit
Oops, same story you've quoted above Blacklabel.
Still stinks though.
The IPCC should release the full report. It's in the public interest to know the details about such matters.
Pesty said:
If memory serves the lady in charge of thee cps has put quotas on rape prosecutions...
She hasn't and this occurred two years prior to her appointment. dandarez said:
And what utter incompetence by those (Dorset police and CPS) involved which lead to an totally innocent man being accused of raping a schoolboy and jailed for eight and a half years at the age of 63 in 2013 - his conviction quashed last week by the Court of Appeal, but he's spent 3 years inside.
It certainly was a gross injustice, but the fundamental issue with that case (the devil is in the detail) is about whether or not the medical evidence concerning the victim should and could have been discovered prior to the civil proceedings (whether or not it was lawful to obtain it etc). I'd suggest Dorset police self-refer to the IPCC given the seriousness of an innocent person being imprisoned. dandarez said:
And what utter incompetence by those (Dorset police and CPS) involved which lead to an totally innocent man being accused of raping a schoolboy and jailed for eight and a half years at the age of 63 in 2013 - his conviction quashed last week by the Court of Appeal, but he's spent 3 years inside.
Why are you blaming the police and the CPS?Their job is to try to grab evidence and proceed.
The question is why did the court believe there was enough evidence there to convict?
If it was wrong the evidence shouldnt stack up.
You shouldnt need to go and find evidence to prove your innocence otherwise there would be lots of people in jail who couldnt provide any.
La Liga said:
The IPCC should release the full report. It's in the public interest to know the details about such matters.
so it did happen and there are quotas but in place before her time and are still in place as she has not removed the quotas, or has she?Pesty said:
If memory serves the lady in charge of thee cps has put quotas on rape prosecutions...
She hasn't and this occurred two years prior to her appointment. do you think this is a good idea for quotas?
Pesty said:
La Liga said:
The IPCC should release the full report. It's in the public interest to know the details about such matters.
so it did happen and there are quotas but in place before her time and are still in place as she has not removed the quotas, or has she?Pesty said:
If memory serves the lady in charge of thee cps has put quotas on rape prosecutions...
She hasn't and this occurred two years prior to her appointment. do you think this is a good idea for quotas?
1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
rscott said:
La Liga's reply is pretty clear.
1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
It's pretty clear From my reply I understood and went on to ask if they were still in place or did the new boss remove them 1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
I further asked if he thought quotas like this were a good idea.
Pesty said:
rscott said:
La Liga's reply is pretty clear.
1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
It's pretty clear From my reply I understood and went on to ask if they were still in place or did the new boss remove them 1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
I further asked if he thought quotas like this were a good idea.
Rape is notoriously difficult to prosecute and prove. One has to presume that the jury heard enough evidence to convict and the new evidence at the retrial was enough to quash the conviction.
Seems to me the things that went wrong here was the guys original defense team and strategy.
saaby93 said:
dandarez said:
And what utter incompetence by those (Dorset police and CPS) involved which lead to an totally innocent man being accused of raping a schoolboy and jailed for eight and a half years at the age of 63 in 2013 - his conviction quashed last week by the Court of Appeal, but he's spent 3 years inside.
Why are you blaming the police and the CPS?Their job is to try to grab evidence and proceed.
The question is why did the court believe there was enough evidence there to convict?
If it was wrong the evidence shouldnt stack up.
You shouldnt need to go and find evidence to prove your innocence otherwise there would be lots of people in jail who couldnt provide any.
FredClogs said:
Pesty said:
rscott said:
La Liga's reply is pretty clear.
1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
It's pretty clear From my reply I understood and went on to ask if they were still in place or did the new boss remove them 1. She hasn't put quotas on rape prosecutions.
2. This case occurred 2 years before she was appointed .
I further asked if he thought quotas like this were a good idea.
Rape is notoriously difficult to prosecute and prove. One has to presume that the jury heard enough evidence to convict and the new evidence at the retrial was enough to quash the conviction.
Seems to me the things that went wrong here was the guys original defense team and strategy.
rscott said:
Can anyone provide a link confirming quotas for rape prosecutions actually exist?
I remembered reading that somebody predicted a huge rise and there was. The piece I read implied this was forced through quotas. This probably got reported elsewhere as rape quotas...Maybe not maybe juts a prediction because of the high profile cases around.
https://www.rt.com/uk/221231-rape-cases-surge-cour...
"The Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Alison Saunders, said she predicted an additional 550 trials would occur in 2014-2015 as police officers and prosecutors step up their efforts to investigate and address allegations of rape.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) will likely welcome the development, following a notable drop in the number of rape cases proceeding to jury trials in 2012-2013. This period was also characterized by a significant decrease in convictions."
So until I find otherwise let's assume my memory was out and there are no quotas. They definitely upped their efforts to get more prosecutions not sure if that means quotas or not.
Edited by Pesty on Monday 1st August 18:04
rscott said:
Can anyone provide a link confirming quotas for rape prosecutions actually exist?
If it helps here is the CPS performance management information:http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/performance/key...
You will note these two:
Violence against Women and Girls - Rolling Annual Rape Conviction Rate
Violence against Women and Girls - Domestic Violence Conviction Rate
"The measure is calculated by dividing the total number of defendants convicted of offences flagged as rape, domestic violence or other sexual offences, by the total number of defendants prosecuted for those offences. This measure covers prosecutions in both the Magistrates’ Court and Crown Courts".
The important thing here is whether there is a target rate or not (I would be surprised if there is not) and perhaps more time ploughing through the web pages may reveal that. The existence of a target and then whether they hit it or not is the most important thing due the axiom "what gets measured gets done". If they do indeed measure success by compliance with a target or not then that will be the driving force behind each case they consider for prosecution.
See Professor JOhn Seddon for more information on how targets distort our public services if you are interested in that type of thing.
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