Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required
Discussion
Edinburger said:
dxg said:
Edinburger said:
Are you really suggesting those people avoid all BBC TV channels, never listen to BBC radio and never use BBC online services?
You appear to be confused. You don't need a TV licence to listen to BBC Radio, nor do you need one to consume BBC Online. I happily consume the former and avoid the latter (because it's awful) without a licence. " Is a TV Licence required for listening to digital radio broadcasts?
You do not need a TV Licence if you only use this equipment to listen to digital radio broadcasts (including on BBC iPlayer Radio)."
From Here. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-frame...
Might be an idea to have a read of the site I've linked, as you clearly don't know what you are on about.
Just to poke the hornet's nest for a moment, some of these arguments have a great similarity to those espoused by the freeloaders who, for their own selfish convenience, leave their cars on private land and then rely on loopholes to avoid sanction. That land is provided by someone at their expense and is for the free use of, say, themselves and bona fide customers. Individuals abuse that, sometimes quite deliberately in full knowledge, and then wriggle on minor points. No doubt will get some abuse for that view, and I'm not accusing anyone on the thread of any wayward parking behaviour, but do see some parallels frankly. Shout and rant all you like, don't care.
technodup said:
nd of up your arse. I'm not 'fiddling' anything. I'll say it once more seeing as you're either stupid or hard of hearing, YOU DO NOT NEED A TV LICENCE IF YOU DO NOT WATCH LIVE TV. The clue is in the name.
I don't wish to be pedantic but the original point of the thread was to point out you now need a TV licence if you watch BBC's catchup service on iplayer which is not live. "You must be covered by a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programs on iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use".
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one...
FiF said:
Just to poke the hornet's nest for a moment, some of these arguments have a great similarity to those espoused by the freeloaders who, for their own selfish convenience,
The BBC/government are large and well funded organisations. If they wanted to change the rules they could, easily.But they don't.
In my world the government or big organisation sets the rules and it's for us to play within those rules to minimise our liability. I don't pay any more tax than I am required to, and will use any legal means to reduce it further. I owe them f
k all. And particularly the BBC.I mean, redoing s
tey old sitcoms because they haven't come up with a decent one in decades? And then a game show about the fact they bothered? Rather you than me.technodup said:
he BBC/government are large and well funded organisations. If they wanted to change the rules they could, easily.
But they don't.
In my world the government or big organisation sets the rules and it's for us to play within those rules to minimise our liability. I don't pay any more tax than I am required to, and will use any legal means to reduce it further. I owe them fk all. And particularly the BBC.
I mean, redoing stey old sitcoms because they haven't come up with a decent one in decades? And then a game show about the fact they bothered? Rather you than me.
So your argument basically revolves around some stuff that I too think was rubbish and didn't watch. Weak very weak. I've just watched some really interesting historical stuff originally done by the BBC, the quality of that one series alone trumps your rubbish argument. And with that Goodnight Sweetheart.But they don't.
In my world the government or big organisation sets the rules and it's for us to play within those rules to minimise our liability. I don't pay any more tax than I am required to, and will use any legal means to reduce it further. I owe them f
k all. And particularly the BBC.I mean, redoing s
tey old sitcoms because they haven't come up with a decent one in decades? And then a game show about the fact they bothered? Rather you than me.FiF said:
So your argument basically revolves around some stuff that I too think was rubbish and didn't watch. Weak very weak.
No, my argument remains that I do not wish to watch ANY BBC TV output, ergo I will not pay the tax. And, that it is a nonsense that to legally watch say ITV, I have to first pay the BBC.That's like saying if I want to go to ANY pub, first I have to pay Wetherspoons an entrance fee.
The sitcom point was purely to illustrate how devoid of fresh ideas they clearly are, and how it confirms (to me) that I have made the correct decision.
FiF said:
Just to poke the hornet's nest for a moment, some of these arguments have a great similarity to those espoused by the freeloaders who, for their own selfish convenience, leave their cars on private land and then rely on loopholes to avoid sanction. That land is provided by someone at their expense and is for the free use of, say, themselves and bona fide customers. Individuals abuse that, sometimes quite deliberately in full knowledge, and then wriggle on minor points. No doubt will get some abuse for that view, and I'm not accusing anyone on the thread of any wayward parking behaviour, but do see some parallels frankly. Shout and rant all you like, don't care.
Not paying for a TV Licence because you don't fit the criteria is the same as parking on somebody elses private land? What?It's much more akin to:
I park my car legally on my land, on public parking, or pay to park on private car parks. Why should I have to contribute to private land on which I do not park?
FiF said:
technodup said:
he BBC/government are large and well funded organisations. If they wanted to change the rules they could, easily.
But they don't.
In my world the government or big organisation sets the rules and it's for us to play within those rules to minimise our liability. I don't pay any more tax than I am required to, and will use any legal means to reduce it further. I owe them fk all. And particularly the BBC.
I mean, redoing stey old sitcoms because they haven't come up with a decent one in decades? And then a game show about the fact they bothered? Rather you than me.
So your argument basically revolves around some stuff that I too think was rubbish and didn't watch. Weak very weak. I've just watched some really interesting historical stuff originally done by the BBC, the quality of that one series alone trumps your rubbish argument. And with that Goodnight Sweetheart.But they don't.
In my world the government or big organisation sets the rules and it's for us to play within those rules to minimise our liability. I don't pay any more tax than I am required to, and will use any legal means to reduce it further. I owe them f
k all. And particularly the BBC.I mean, redoing s
tey old sitcoms because they haven't come up with a decent one in decades? And then a game show about the fact they bothered? Rather you than me.k are you actually talking about. Your personal opinion on some historical BBC program means that he should now purchase a TV licence? Get a grip.
Edinburger said:
chr15b said:
I used a similar analogy with them when they kept insisting I tell them I don't consume live TV, I cancelled my licence last year and told them in writing I no longer watch live TV. at what would have been licence renewal time they started sending me letters every few days so i reminded them of my contact from a few months previously. The came out with that I need to keep them updated with that I'm still not watching live TV. I suggested it was like me phoning the local pizza shop to remind them I don't want one of their pizzas delivered tonight. I've not heard from them since.
I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm not playing on any of this they're harassing me nonsense etc, but I do see them as a service, much like sky, virginmedia, or the local gym, if I want to use their service, I'll contact them and pay, until then leave me alone.
However, the TV licence isn't just to pay for live TV. It pays for all BBC services ie online content, iPlayer back book, radio, educational material and events, etc., etc. I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm not playing on any of this they're harassing me nonsense etc, but I do see them as a service, much like sky, virginmedia, or the local gym, if I want to use their service, I'll contact them and pay, until then leave me alone.
If you told HMRC that you don't have any house bound aged relations, would you expect your income tax to reduce because you don't want / need to pay for 'meals on wheels'?
I find it stagerring that you lot have those views. Quite sad, actually.
I do not use live tv, I do not use iplayer, I do not use sky, I do not use virginmedia.
I do use Netflix as a streamed service, I have a ps4 connected to my tv for the purposes of gaming.
I paid for the tv license for two years when I didn't even have an aerial connected to my tv.
Now what part of that is cheating the bbc, the Tv licensing agency or as you decided to raise them the hmrc?
My point was purely at being disgruntled that he tv licensing agency appear to think it's acceptable for them to insist I do some form of regular self assessment for a service I have no desire to consume.
Should however the situation change, I'll happily call them and inform them.
Edited by chr15b on Sunday 11th September 20:11
The BBC is to put password controls on the iPlayer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/bbc-ipl...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/bbc-ipl...
Cotty said:
The BBC is to put password controls on the iPlayer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/bbc-ipl...
I did wonder if this was coming. How many people simply ignore the message if they don't have a licence?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/bbc-ipl...
Don't have a licence myself so deleted the app from my Roku Player at the end of August. Must admit that I haven't missed it at all.
Europa1 said:
This is an annoying development. One of the things that winds me up about watching any Channel 4 (and its offshoots) output online is it's yet another thing I need a username and password for.
Under the new charter, the Beeb can charge for additional services under a subscription basis. Most likely as preperation for the whole shooting match to go to a subs based model, not before time IMHO. I can only think this will alienate or possibly eliminate a section of their future potential license payers. Students.
Like millions(?) of others my daughter started Uni this month. And, like many others she received her first threatening letter from Capita. At one point she ended up in tears over it.
She did enjoy Eastenders on catchup occasionally (God knows why) but decided out of principal she would not be watching BBC output or paying a license fee.
She's in a shared house with 8 other students. Only one has a license fee and they also have a telly. All of the remaining students have agreed they are more than happy with all the other TV they occasionally watch and the Amazon Prime they got free with their student bank accounts.
Personally I think the Beeb are great, love much of their output and happy to pay for it.
I suspect the next generation will not.
Like millions(?) of others my daughter started Uni this month. And, like many others she received her first threatening letter from Capita. At one point she ended up in tears over it.
She did enjoy Eastenders on catchup occasionally (God knows why) but decided out of principal she would not be watching BBC output or paying a license fee.
She's in a shared house with 8 other students. Only one has a license fee and they also have a telly. All of the remaining students have agreed they are more than happy with all the other TV they occasionally watch and the Amazon Prime they got free with their student bank accounts.
Personally I think the Beeb are great, love much of their output and happy to pay for it.
I suspect the next generation will not.
21TonyK said:
She's in a shared house with 8 other students. Only one has a license fee and they also have a telly. All of the remaining students have agreed they are more than happy with all the other TV they occasionally watch and the Amazon Prime they got free with their student bank accounts.
Check the "any channel" bit. Just watch ITV? need a licence.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one
Edited by Cotty on Tuesday 27th September 19:13
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