Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
All this noise for he sake that it's £12/PCM.
Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
Its not about the money. If I don't watch TV I don't need to pay, regardless of the amount. But also I don't wish to receive threatening letters demanding I prove my innocence and innocence it is as I don't watch TV.Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
This is the bit you are not grasping. If people don't watch TV they don't need to pay for a licence.
Welshbeef said:
All this noise for he sake that it's £12/PCM.
Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
The reason why it is not included in general taxation is that the licence fee is NOT paid directly to a government department (such as HMRC). This, supposedly, gives the BBC independent control from government.Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
Of course, in reality, that independence is often compromised.
Welshbeef said:
All this noise for he sake that it's £12/PCM.
Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
If you're OK with people paying tax they're not required to, are you also OK with people claiming tax relief they're not entitled to? Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
Welshbeef said:
All this noise for he sake that it's £12/PCM.
Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
And we're off again. The old 'it's only £12 a month' nonsense. Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
How about you give me £12 a month. You won't get anything in return, but just give me the money. Let's say you need to because you post on PH. Even if you don't post on PH, you still need to give me the money. Ok?
funkyrobot said:
Welshbeef said:
All this noise for he sake that it's £12/PCM.
Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
And we're off again. The old 'it's only £12 a month' nonsense. Put it into general taxation instead and lower the starting point of income tax so we all pay for it job done. Or if £12/PCM is so much for you get rid of the smart phone and your car too as you clearly cannot afford it.
How about you give me £12 a month. You won't get anything in return, but just give me the money. Let's say you need to because you post on PH. Even if you don't post on PH, you still need to give me the money. Ok?
Welshbeef said:
It's odd you say that as nearly all other countries have a TV licence set up (similar cost if not more) without any BBC equivalent radio and TV programmes.
I couldn't give a f
k what other countries do.What I've yet to hear an acceptable answer to is - if I want to watch say ITV, C4 or Discovery, why do I have to pay the BBC first?
amusingduck said:
AJL308 said:
This was mentioned a while back and I'm not sure it's correct. The argument went that you could watch without a licence whilst powering the device with its battery but if you plugged it in to charge and continued watching then you need to be licensed.
The wording in the Act (from memory) is "..powered by an internal battery...". Well, surely if you have the phone/laptop plugged in it's still powered by its internal battery and not the mains? The mains is just charging the battery but the battery is still powering the device.
A laptop will still run on mains power if you remove the batteryThe wording in the Act (from memory) is "..powered by an internal battery...". Well, surely if you have the phone/laptop plugged in it's still powered by its internal battery and not the mains? The mains is just charging the battery but the battery is still powering the device.
If the battery is in and charging then it's still being "powered" its battery, surely?
amusingduck said:
AJL308 said:
Then that would be where the offence is.
If the battery is in and charging then it's still being "powered" its battery, surely?
I think you misunderstood.If the battery is in and charging then it's still being "powered" its battery, surely?
If you remove the laptop's battery, and plug the power adaptor into the laptop, it will still work.
Yes, if you do that then you need a licence because it is not powered by an internal battery. It's mains operated.
The point that was made originally was that if you are watching Iplayer on a laptop which is unplugged and running from its battery and then plug it in to charge when you get a low battery warning then at that point you commit the offence of having no licence. That was the advice given somewhere.
I'm saying that that advice is wrong because even though it's plugged in it isn't running from the mains. It's running from its battery which is being charged by the mains. The mains isn't powering the device, the battery is.
If you remove the battery and plug it in then it is running directly from the mains and so you need a licence.
Edit: to redo the final sentence 'cos I'm a muppet.
Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 29th September 17:40
Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 29th September 17:41
AJL308 said:
No, I did understand.
Yes, if you do that then you need a licence because it is not powered by an internal battery. It's mains operated.
The point that was made originally was that if you are watching Iplayer on a laptop which is unplugged and running from its battery and then plug it in to charge when you get a low battery warning then at that point you commit the offence of having no licence. That was the advice given somewhere.
I'm saying that that advice is wrong because even though it's plugged in it isn't running from the mains. It's running from its battery which is being charged by the mains. The mains isn't powering the device, the battery is.
If you remove the battery and plug it in then it is not running directly from the mains and so you need a licence.
Apologies, it was me who misunderstood.Yes, if you do that then you need a licence because it is not powered by an internal battery. It's mains operated.
The point that was made originally was that if you are watching Iplayer on a laptop which is unplugged and running from its battery and then plug it in to charge when you get a low battery warning then at that point you commit the offence of having no licence. That was the advice given somewhere.
I'm saying that that advice is wrong because even though it's plugged in it isn't running from the mains. It's running from its battery which is being charged by the mains. The mains isn't powering the device, the battery is.
If you remove the battery and plug it in then it is not running directly from the mains and so you need a licence.
I see where you're coming from. I agree with your logic.
Edinburger said:
You lot are unbelievable. All that say £12 per month?!
It annoys me that my taxes pay for things I don't use but hey-ho.
If you woke up tomorrow and decided you were no longer interested in consuming live TV, on-demand BBC content, etc, would you continue paying for a TV licence?It annoys me that my taxes pay for things I don't use but hey-ho.
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