Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required

[amusingduck]

chrispmartha said:

amusingduck said:

How can people live without the BBC? The rest of the world seem to be coping alright

And quite al lot of the rest of the world has to pay a license fee, without getting anything as good as the BBC in return.

And if I move to one of those countries, I'll pay for a TV licence.

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

amusingduck said:

How can people live without the BBC? The rest of the world seem to be coping alright

Edited by amusingduck on Friday 30th September 17:45

And quite al lot of the rest of the world has to pay a license fee, without getting anything as good as the BBC in return.

I think that in this instance, the term 'Good' to describe the BBC and its content is very subjective.

I pay the licence but I could certainly live without it, it's more or less irrelevant for us.

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

chrispmartha said:

amusingduck said:

How can people live without the BBC? The rest of the world seem to be coping alright

Edited by amusingduck on Friday 30th September 17:45

And quite al lot of the rest of the world has to pay a license fee, without getting anything as good as the BBC in return.

I think that in this instance, the term 'Good' to describe the BBC and its content is very subjective.

I pay the licence but I could certainly live without it, it's more or less irrelevant for us.

Id say its objective, which other country that has a license fee gets anything as comprehensive as the BBC in return?

[amusingduck]

I wish the BBC would move to a full subscription model, for all content. You'd need a to purchase a BBC subscription to consume any BBC content, TV, Radio, News, etc.

All those tax-evading spongers would have to pay the monthly fee, and the cost would go down for everyone!

Right?

..Right??

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

Id say its objective, which other country that has a license fee gets anything as comprehensive as the BBC in return?

Comprehensive for who, public sector workers who usually vote labour, public sector union members and agitators? There is little there for me, and as a result, it is rarely, if at all, watched any longer. It is the same with the young, I don't know any of them who watch/listen to BBC content.

I have said before, I pay the licence fee as I sometimes watch programmes in real time (although not often these days, so much more, and better choices), but given the choice, legally, I would not. As I said, it is irrelevant to us, genuinely.

[All that jazz]

amusingduck said:

I wish the BBC would move to a full subscription model, for all content. You'd need a to purchase a BBC subscription to consume any BBC content, TV, Radio, News, etc.

All those tax-evading spongers would have to pay the monthly fee, and the cost would go down for everyone!

Right?

..Right??

Biased Broadcasting Corporation would be bankrupt within a week on a subscription model and Welshbeef and Ediburgher would be on the dole.

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

chrispmartha said:

Id say its objective, which other country that has a license fee gets anything as comprehensive as the BBC in return?

Comprehensive for who, public sector workers who usually vote labour, public sector union members and agitators? There is little there for me, and as a result, it is rarely, if at all, watched any longer. It is the same with the young, I don't know any of them who watch/listen to BBC content.

I have said before, I pay the licence fee as I sometimes watch programmes in real time (although not often these days, so much more, and better choices), but given the choice, legally, I would not. As I said, it is irrelevant to us, genuinely.

I'd be interested to know what type of programming you enjoy, is there literally nothing on any of the BBC tv channels, online or radio channels that you like? Nothing?

[Pesty]

I listen to radio 4 but easily live without it.

There is nothing, nothing I watch on BBC to since top gear ended

And that was 6 shows a year did watch a May programme that was what 2-3 years ago? Nothing at all I want to watch, I don't even know what's on anyway. I don't have sky any more ( I chose not to pay) so no to guide.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand we don't like what you like. I have amazon and that's it.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 30th September 19:37

[Welshbeef]

The BBC produce excellent shows and have exceptional talent throughout the organisation.
It is such good value for the consumer be it radio tv digital or on the go.

It truely is beyond reproach and long may that continue.

[chrispmartha]

Pesty said:

I listen to radio 4 but easily live without it.

There is nothing, nothing I watch on BBC to since top gear ended

And that was 6 shows a year did watch a May programme that was what 2-3 years ago? Nothing at all I want to watch, I don't even know what's on anyway. I don't have sky any more ( I chose not to pay) so no to guide.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand we don't like what you like. I have amazon and that's it.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 30th September 19:37

It''s not hard to understand that people like different things, i think it's harder to understand why people say there's nothing on the BBC you would like, especially as you have just admitted you don't even know what is actually on it.

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

I'd be interested to know what type of programming you enjoy, is there literally nothing on any of the BBC tv channels, online or radio channels that you like? Nothing?

No

Radio! In my car, I have my USB stick with my MP3's, when training it's the same, MP3's of music/content of my personal choice.
TV - Nope, not for a good while. Not in the age of box sets and films on demand. We probably spend between 2-4 hours per night watching online content, which I happily pay for because I can pick and choose.
I do have a few BBC box sets that I have bought, though, but a lot of them is very old stuff.

I find it difficult to get my head around some of you who think it's crazy is some of us do not watch, nor want to watch/listen to the vast majority of BBC content in this day and age of so much (better for us) choice). Are you really that much of a slave to the corporation?

As I have mentioned a few times before, I did tune into the BBC on the morning of the GE, just to savour the expressions on the BBC commentators faces, that was priceless!

[chris watton]

chrispmartha said:

It''s not hard to understand that people like different things, i think it's harder to understand why people say there's nothing on the BBC you would like, especially as you have just admitted you don't even know what is actually on it.

When you have the whole family who go out to work each day, and my wife all week and every other Saturday, there really isn't much time to flick through the channels. We don't do that. We have hobbies that do not involve being glued to the TV 24/7. Of all of the choice we have, trust me, the BBC (and to be fair, ITV and C4) are way down at the bottom of that list for quality viewing. Sorry, but for us, that's how it is.

[ashleyman]

chrispmartha said:

chris watton said:

chrispmartha said:

Id say its objective, which other country that has a license fee gets anything as comprehensive as the BBC in return?

Comprehensive for who, public sector workers who usually vote labour, public sector union members and agitators? There is little there for me, and as a result, it is rarely, if at all, watched any longer. It is the same with the young, I don't know any of them who watch/listen to BBC content.

I have said before, I pay the licence fee as I sometimes watch programmes in real time (although not often these days, so much more, and better choices), but given the choice, legally, I would not. As I said, it is irrelevant to us, genuinely.

I'd be interested to know what type of programming you enjoy, is there literally nothing on any of the BBC tv channels, online or radio channels that you like? Nothing?

Of everything the BBC has available right now on iPlayer (I've just had a look a the top content) I think the only thing that might interest me is Cleverman. But that's it and that's not even a BBC original.

So it would cost me £12 a month to watch 6 episodes of something that isn't even original. Not worth it. I pay £7.99 to be able to listen to an unlimited amount of music that DOES interest me through iTunes & Apple Music.

If the BBC made more stuff like Spooks, Hustle, Luther, those kinds of shows I'd be interested but it does't anymore. I like to watch exactly what I want to watch and don't waste time sat looking for something to watch just for the sake of watching something to pass time.

Edited by ashleyman on Friday 30th September 19:59

[chrispmartha]

chris watton said:

chrispmartha said:

It''s not hard to understand that people like different things, i think it's harder to understand why people say there's nothing on the BBC you would like, especially as you have just admitted you don't even know what is actually on it.

When you have the whole family who go out to work each day, and my wife all week and every other Saturday, there really isn't much time to flick through the channels. We don't do that. We have hobbies that do not involve being glued to the TV 24/7. Of all of the choice we have, trust me, the BBC (and to be fair, ITV and C4) are way down at the bottom of that list for quality viewing. Sorry, but for us, that's how it is.

I'm a busy man myself, I don't actually watch that much TV, I tend to use 'catch up' rather than watching live tv

[Cotty]

Edinburger said:

technodup said:

'm sure Edinburgher has all the licences just to be safe, dog licence, TV licence, fishing licence, waste licence etc. After all they're only £100 a year so why wouldn't anyone want the full set?

Top Trumps (Licence Edition) is an entertainment gap waiting to be filled.

Aye, very good.

Do you avoid council tax, road tax, and everything else too?

Here is a good analogy road tax (or road fund licence etc) you only need to pay road tax if you use a car on the road. If you do not own a car you do not have to pay road tax. Or if you have a car that you do not use on the road you do not have to pay and you can declare it SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification). Some people in London do not own cars and use public transport to get around, the DVLA do not send enforcement officers round to check if they have a car. Even if they did you do not need the licence unless you are using it on a public road.

[Cotty]

Welshbeef said:

The BBC produce excellent shows and have exceptional talent throughout the organisation.
It is such good value for the consumer be it radio tv digital or on the go.

and the value for the non consumer?

[Welshbeef]

Cotty said:

and the value for the non consumer?

What sort of music and visuals do you enjoy: what genre?

[anonymous-user]

chris watton said:

No

Radio! In my car, I have my USB stick with my MP3's, when training it's the same, MP3's of music/content of my personal choice.
TV - Nope, not for a good while. Not in the age of box sets and films on demand. We probably spend between 2-4 hours per night watching online content, which I happily pay for because I can pick and choose.
I do have a few BBC box sets that I have bought, though, but a lot of them is very old stuff.

I find it difficult to get my head around some of you who think it's crazy is some of us do not watch, nor want to watch/listen to the vast majority of BBC content in this day and age of so much (better for us) choice). Are you really that much of a slave to the corporation?

As I have mentioned a few times before, I did tune into the BBC on the morning of the GE, just to savour the expressions on the BBC commentators faces, that was £145.50!

Corrected that for you

[Hosenbugler]

Welshbeef said:

The BBC produce excellent shows and have exceptional talent throughout the organisation.
It is such good value for the consumer be it radio tv digital or on the go.

It truely is beyond reproach and long may that continue.

Its that good I let my "License" lapse because I don't watch it. It's patently obvious, that yourself , and others on here, have your snouts firmly in the BBC trough.

Having to pay to use BBc services is fair enough if thats what the consumer wants, being forced to pay them if wanting to use live broadcasts from other providers is absurd, being fined/locked up for doing such is authoritarian at the very least. They know in the longer term the "license" is not viable , why its not gone to a subs basis now is beyond reasonable comprehension.

[CrutyRammers]

chrispmartha said:

It''s not hard to understand that people like different things, i think it's harder to understand why people say there's nothing on the BBC you would like, especially as you have just admitted you don't even know what is actually on it.

So the argument has moved from "we don't believe that people don't watch it" to "I don't believe there's nothing on there you would like". We're getting somewhere, we just need to make the leap to "There's nothing on there I would like enough to pay to see, given all the other things I could be doing".