Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required

[Jobbo]

Welshbeef said:

I keep asking where and how legally can I get to watch all sky sports sky movies sky Atlantic Fox and all BBC channels for free? As I want to post it up on Martin Lewis money saving expert I think it's a superb idea that we as PH could support and publish where and how to do it (as it is totally legal to do so). We could save the hard working poor and everyone else in the country a small fortune.


If there isn't a response I guess we can accept that clearly it isn't legal which I'm highly confident is the case - else all those companies will go pop in no time.

Do you actually watch all those things? How do you have time to go to work?

[Welshbeef]

Jobbo said:

Welshbeef said:

I keep asking where and how legally can I get to watch all sky sports sky movies sky Atlantic Fox and all BBC channels for free? As I want to post it up on Martin Lewis money saving expert I think it's a superb idea that we as PH could support and publish where and how to do it (as it is totally legal to do so). We could save the hard working poor and everyone else in the country a small fortune.


If there isn't a response I guess we can accept that clearly it isn't legal which I'm highly confident is the case - else all those companies will go pop in no time.

Do you actually watch all those things? How do you have time to go to work?

So not answering the question.

How do you do it legally so we can share to the Martin Lewis forum ?

Or is it not really legal and people are getting away with it?

[Jobbo]

I didn't make the suggestion, but is that the package you pay £97 a month for? I only came on this thread to comment on the iPlayer licence fee topic; you're the one attempting to derail it.

[Welshbeef]

Jobbo said:

I didn't make the suggestion, but is that the package you pay £97 a month for?

It's what anyone with the whole sky package incl sky go pays that is standard price.


Just a land line and fibre is best part of £40 alone!

[Funk]

FredClogs said:

RicharDC5 said:

Funk said:

RicharDC5 said:

FredClogs said:

If you have sky and a sky dish you have the ability to watch broadcast TV and for that you need a license

Having the ability to watch live TV doesn't mean that you need a license. You need a license to watch or record live TV.

I was about to post exactly that and you saved me the trouble!

Same as owning a car doesn't mean you need a driving licence.

But for some reason people are struggling to understand this. The above is clearly stated on the BBC website.

Why would you pay for the equipment and subscription to watch live broadcast TV and then not watch it, ever? I accept there are some lunatics out in the world who will cut off their nose to spite their face but I don't accept that the majority of the non license fee payer types aren't actually using the technology and subscription they've paid for, ever! Just don't believe it and I don't see why the courts would.

Well clearly to pay for Sky and not use it for what it's intended would be daft.

However, as RicharDC5 points out, there is nothing illegal about owning equipment cable of receiving broadcasts, it's only illegal to actually watch or record something as it's broadcast. There would be nothing wrong with having a TV with FreeSat and using it to listen to digital radio for example and if some nugget wanted to pay for Sky and only use the downloaded 'on-demand' then there's nothing wrong with them doing so from a legal perspective.

[Galsia]

I don't have a licence and I don't watch live TV. I don't use the iPlayer either so the BBC can get fked. I probably watch about an hour per week of 4OD and even then I'm not bothered about it.

[anonymous-user]

Funk said:

Good for the BBC, they're by far the best braodcaster in the world and largely because of the (not so) unique way they're funded. One of the best value bits of British culture there is, like the NHS, something we should all be incredibly proud of, probably the only two things we have left to be proud of.

I agree, but it's much cooler to take the default, parroted, 'anti-BBC / establishment / lefty-bias' view.

[technodup]

FredClogs said:

The TVL people don't need to prove your guilt they just need to prosecute you and provide the evidence.

Yes, of someone watching live TV.

FredClogs said:

200,000 prosecutions in 2012/2013, over 3500 a week - do you really think anyone is going to take the time to listen to your bull st theoretical excuses.

I'm not sure I believe the numbers tbh.

It was reported just the other day there were 15 in Scotland last year. 15.

I literally do not have a television. They have been sending me monthly letters for about 8 years. No prosecution, no knock at the door, no evidence, nada. What I do or don't do is for me to know, them to find out, and you to bh about.

[dudleybloke]

Maybe if the BBC made more shows that are good enough to be sold worldwide and stopped bidding on sports tournaments trying to compete with commercial channels they could reduce the TV tax to a reasonable level.

[Einion Yrth]

Or perhaps they could go to a subscription model, and then all these sycophantic blowhards who want to watch the dross that the BBC churn out could pony up for it, and I wouldn't have to. Hell they could go to a micro-sub model and then I could pay for the tiny percentage of their outpourings that I actually want to watch.


Edited for apostrophe abuse. Of course it's been quoted now so I'm knackered anyway, but I wanted to point out that I'd noticed

Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 2nd August 12:41

[chris watton]

Einion Yrth said:

Or perhaps they could go to a subscription model, and then all these sycophantic blowhards who wan't to watch the dross that the BBC churn out could pony up for it, and I wouldn't have to. Hell they could go to a micro-sub model and then I could pay for the tiny percentage of their outpourings that I actually want to watch.

Yep, I'd settle for that.

The last thing we watched on BBC was The Night Manager.

[Welshbeef]

dudleybloke said:

Maybe if the BBC made more shows that are good enough to be sold worldwide and stopped bidding on sports tournaments trying to compete with commercial channels they could reduce the TV tax to a reasonable level.

It's not ever going down accept that.

I'd say without question the BBC are superb at
Olympics
Wimbledon
6 Nations - don't like the way ITV ruin coverage with advert breaks
Diamond League
Commonwealth games
London Marathon
New York Marathon
Great north run
British Open
World Cup football or Euros etc.

F1 is gone
Rallying is gone


Good shows you say?
Wolf Hall
Planet Earth
Frozen planet
The office
Top Gear
The Royal Family
London Spy
River
Doctor Foster
Missing
Peaky Blinders
Line of Duty
War and Peace
Abused - the untold story
The night manager
The people v OJ Simpson
The hollow crown Henry Vi Part2
The Tudors


Etc etc.
That's a very wide spread of superb TV so many genres and targeted demographics.

What do you watch?

[technodup]

There's no point listing a load of shows. The best sport is on Sky. The best drama comes from the US. Comedy likewise, especially these days. News you can get from any angle you like.

Point is all these things are catered for elsewhere, in more quantity and quality. The BBC tries to be all things to all men, from babies to grandads and it just isn't very good at it.

And whilst it's being not very good it completely stifles smaller guys from having a go.

[Welshbeef]

technodup said:

There's no point listing a load of shows. The best sport is on Sky. The best drama comes from the US. Comedy likewise, especially these days. News you can get from any angle you like.

Point is all these things are catered for elsewhere, in more quantity and quality. The BBC tries to be all things to all men, from babies to grandads and it just isn't very good at it.

And whilst it's being not very good it completely stifles smaller guys from having a go.

There is no point in totally ignoring that those are award winning shows

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

[Robbins]

The loss/cancellation by the BBC of Topgear, Formula 1, BBC3 channel amongst others proves the BBC no longer relates to me in the content it provides. Add to that added funding raised from Product Placement and the £multi-million salaries of a lot of their 'key talent' makes me increasingly resentful of paying my licence

[Welshbeef]

Robbins said:

The loss/cancellation by the BBC of Topgear, Formula 1, BBC3 channel amongst others proves the BBC no longer relates to me in the content it provides. Add to that added funding raised from Product Placement and the £multi-million salaries of a lot of their 'key talent' makes me increasingly resentful of paying my licence

You do know the commercial stations pay a lot more for the top talent don't you?


Please clarify what you watch on TV? F1 is a pay service do you pay it or somehow get it free "streaming"

[chris watton]

Welshbeef said:

There is no point in totally ignoring that those are award winning shows

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

What you say is very sunjective, surely? What may seem great to you may not seem so great to someone else. Usually, you pay your money and make your choice.

[All that jazz]

I don't see anything changing. Those without licences will continue as normal and those that legally watched iPlayer will simply continue to do so, albeit now illegally. What are the "licensing officers" going to do if they turn up on your doorstep?

"Do you have a PC or device that is capable of streaming live BBC broadcasts or iPlayer?"
"Yes".
"You need a TV licence for that, sir".
"Er nope. Anything else? No? Good day".
"Actually sir, if you use that device to watch live or recorded BBC broadcasts then you do need a licence....yada yada".
"Thank you for the info, I will bear it in mind. Now if there's nothing else I'll bid you a good day".

<closes door>

[Welshbeef]

chris watton said:

Welshbeef said:

There is no point in totally ignoring that those are award winning shows

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

What you say is very sunjective, surely? What may seem great to you may not seem so great to someone else. Usually, you pay your money and make your choice.

But with the exception of a handful of countries globally they all have a "tv licence".


We all pay the 3G and 4G licence directly to our suppliers but we don't notice it if BBC stopped guess what Mr Govt would do? Sell rights to Internet and cable and sky and ariel tv, to think otherwise when we're in a big deficit is a bit naive.

[Funk]

La Liga said:

FredClogs said:

Good for the BBC, they're by far the best braodcaster in the world and largely because of the (not so) unique way they're funded. One of the best value bits of British culture there is, like the NHS, something we should all be incredibly proud of, probably the only two things we have left to be proud of.

I agree, but it's much cooler to take the default, parroted, 'anti-BBC / establishment / lefty-bias' view.

You've misquoted me.

I'm one of the cool kids taking the default, parroted, 'anti-BBC'/establishement/left-bias view that it needs getting rid of. FredClogs thinks it's ace though.