Black Lives Matter arrives in UK and shuts down M4

[Koofler]

From Sky News:

"On its Facebook page, Black Lives Matter UK describes itself as "a coalition of activists from across the UK who believe deeply that Black Lives Matter".

It includes numerous groups including UK Black Lives Matter (not the same) and regional city-based chapters with their own relationships with the original US campaign."


It's all gone a bit Monty Python.

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: fk off! 'Judean People's Front'. We're the People's Front of Judea! 'Judean People's Front'.
Francis: wkers.

[Digga]

Don said:

Digga said:

Challo said:

My mates a copper and said if they just dragged them off the runaway with brute force the media uproar would be deafening. Unfortunately they have to play it by the book and only use limited force.

I've told you already, dogs. The British public fking love them, even if they're mangling someone.

Brilliant idea.

Good boy indeed.

[iphonedyou]

Guardian article quote and comment said:

MumsGoneToIceland
19h ago
595 596

Why are communities like east London’s Newham, where 40% of the population survive on £20,000 or less, hosting airports such as London City, where passengers earn on average £114,000 a year?

Because it provides employment for 2,000 people?

Bingo.

Terrifying how off base the author is. Genuinely terrifying.

[mac96]

iphonedyou said:

Guardian article quote and comment said:

MumsGoneToIceland
19h ago
595 596

Why are communities like east London’s Newham, where 40% of the population survive on £20,000 or less, hosting airports such as London City, where passengers earn on average £114,000 a year?

Because it provides employment for 2,000 people?

Bingo.

Terrifying how off base the author is. Genuinely terrifying.

Also, odd use of the word 'hosts'. In what way does the community 'host' the airport? It was mainly built on derelict docklands and provides not only employment but also taxes, some of which find their way back to deprived areas.

In other words-it would make more sense to say the airport hosts the community. Not a lot of sense, but more than the other way around.

Just seems like anti business speak from those who imagine their income is derived from the tooth fairy. Perhaps all business should be removed from Newham if hosting employers is such a burden on the poor.

And we should obviously close down Jaguar Land Rover on the basis that most of the people living around the plant cannot afford a nice new Range Rover.

[rah1888]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep...

I'm sure this will clear up everything!

Some of the comments underneath a quite brilliant. If you can't find a sympathetic reception for your cause in The Guardian, you must realise something is wrong.

[anonymous-user]

rah1888 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep...

I'm sure this will clear up everything!

Some of the comments underneath a quite brilliant. If you can't find a sympathetic reception for your cause in The Guardian, you must realise something is wrong.

Article said:

This is because the UK, much like America, has a dark history of deaths of black people at the hands of the police. With the stories of black Britons such as Mzee Mohammed, Sarah Reed and Mark Duggan (all of whom died following interactions with the police) still fresh on our minds, I imagine BLM UK was considering the safety of their protesters when they allowed the nine white runway hijackers to cross the Thames and take their short-lived stand. As the Met chief Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted last year, accusations that the police force is “institutionally racist” have “some justification”. Perhaps, in this instance, black lives really did matter and they were prioritised.

Brilliant, the justification for the protesters being white is black ones would have been killed by the police.

Mark Duggan once more being used as a wonderful example. The 'movement' sure knows how to gain wide-spread support...

[mac96]

La Liga said:

rah1888 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep...

I'm sure this will clear up everything!

Some of the comments underneath a quite brilliant. If you can't find a sympathetic reception for your cause in The Guardian, you must realise something is wrong.

Article said:

This is because the UK, much like America, has a dark history of deaths of black people at the hands of the police. With the stories of black Britons such as Mzee Mohammed, Sarah Reed and Mark Duggan (all of whom died following interactions with the police) still fresh on our minds, I imagine BLM UK was considering the safety of their protesters when they allowed the nine white runway hijackers to cross the Thames and take their short-lived stand. As the Met chief Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted last year, accusations that the police force is “institutionally racist” have “some justification”. Perhaps, in this instance, black lives really did matter and they were prioritised.

Brilliant, the justification for the protesters being white is black ones would have been killed by the police.

Mark Duggan once more being used as a wonderful example. The 'movement' sure knows how to gain wide-spread support...

Appears from this that the author does not understand the difference between institutional racism and individual racism- the former is not likely to lead to black protestors being beaten to death in front of huge numbers of witnesses, cameras etc, on a runway.

Beating people of other colours to death requires individual racism- and there is no white monopoly on that.

[anonymous-user]

mac96 said:

La Liga said:

rah1888 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep...

I'm sure this will clear up everything!

Some of the comments underneath a quite brilliant. If you can't find a sympathetic reception for your cause in The Guardian, you must realise something is wrong.

Article said:

This is because the UK, much like America, has a dark history of deaths of black people at the hands of the police. With the stories of black Britons such as Mzee Mohammed, Sarah Reed and Mark Duggan (all of whom died following interactions with the police) still fresh on our minds, I imagine BLM UK was considering the safety of their protesters when they allowed the nine white runway hijackers to cross the Thames and take their short-lived stand. As the Met chief Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted last year, accusations that the police force is “institutionally racist” have “some justification”. Perhaps, in this instance, black lives really did matter and they were prioritised.

Brilliant, the justification for the protesters being white is black ones would have been killed by the police.

Mark Duggan once more being used as a wonderful example. The 'movement' sure knows how to gain wide-spread support...

Appears from this that the author does not understand the difference between institutional racism and individual racism- the former is not likely to lead to black protestors being beaten to death in front of huge numbers of witnesses, cameras etc, on a runway.

Beating people of other colours to death requires individual racism- and there is no white monopoly on that.

What's annoying for me, (as a totally unbiased observer, of course!) is the casual linking between the situation in the US vs the situation in the UK.

The US police (who face a much more risky world is has to be said) kill more people in a month on average than the UK police have in the last 30 years. She's comparing pretty much the only routinely-unarmed force in the world with one of the most heavily armed.

Her enthusiasm to get involved vastly outweighs her knowledge on the subject matters as she clearly has no idea of the effort that goes into to creating non-lethal outcomes when firearms officers are deployed.

Her suggestion the situation would be treated any differently had the protesters been non-white is a slur on pretty much every officer who would attend such an incident and act in a professional manner regardless of whom was on the tripod.

It's always easier to be an idealist sat on the sidelines than someone who (legally) gets stuck in to the gritty realities of the world.

[Digga]

I've only just watched this article but the numbers are staggering, utterly appalling. Whilst there is, undoubtedly, horrific police brutality, there is also, sadly, a huge amount of black on black violence going on in some places.

This report, by the BBC, focuses on Chicago where, since 2001, 7916 people have been killed. Yes, they are mostly black.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/features...

So there is a real dichotemy; who to the police target to spot this and what can be done to stop targeting meaning one law for white and another for black?

[Rude-boy]

La Liga said:

Her suggestion the situation would be treated any differently had the protesters been non-white is a slur on pretty much every officer who would attend such an incident and act in a professional manner regardless of whom was on the tripod.

It's always easier to be an idealist sat on the sidelines than someone who (legally) gets stuck in to the gritty realities of the world.

What amuses me is that she likely does not see her comment as being racist, where as I as a white male, feel like i am being unfairly stereotyped due to the colour of my skin, which the last time i checked was a fairly major indicator that someone was acting in a racist manner towards you.

To be honest people like her need to go spend some time living living somewhere where you can't get a decent bottle of Pinot 24 hours a day.

[Digga]

Rude-boy said:

To be honest people like her need to go spend some time living living somewhere where you can't get a decent bottle of Pinot 24 hours a day.

She could do with watching that BBC report I just linked to; eye opening and heart breaking in the extreme.

[KTF]

BBC News said:

Five men and four women, aged between 23 and 32, are charged with aggravated trespass and being unlawfully airside within a restricted area of a plane.

They were released on bail until next Wednesday, when they will appear before Westminster magistrates.

Slaps on the wrist all round then.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-372974...

[e21Mark]

Solution contained within.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGujNhUe4tw

[mac96]

Digga said:

I've only just watched this article but the numbers are staggering, utterly appalling. Whilst there is, undoubtedly, horrific police brutality, there is also, sadly, a huge amount of black on black violence going on in some places.

This report, by the BBC, focuses on Chicago where, since 2001, 7916 people have been killed. Yes, they are mostly black.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/features...

So there is a real dichotemy; who to the police target to spot this and what can be done to stop targeting meaning one law for white and another for black?

That BBC video..
What must it be like for a police officer working in an environment where every young man you stop, or in any way interact with, is likely to have a strong dislike of you on principle as a police officer(perhaps worse if you are black), to be carrying an illegal gun, and to have several like minded friends nearby?

How could you retain a sense of proportion? How could you avoid seeing them as the enemy to be shot down before they kill you? Of course you should, but. If that report is even partly representative of some US communities the surprising thing is that the police can recruit at all.

[johnxjsc1985]

We used to deport people for lesser crimes 15 years for setting fire to a haystack and transportation to the Colonies. Shutting down the transport system should at least be life.

[Mr Snrub]

mac96 said:

Digga said:

I've only just watched this article but the numbers are staggering, utterly appalling. Whilst there is, undoubtedly, horrific police brutality, there is also, sadly, a huge amount of black on black violence going on in some places.

This report, by the BBC, focuses on Chicago where, since 2001, 7916 people have been killed. Yes, they are mostly black.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/features...

So there is a real dichotemy; who to the police target to spot this and what can be done to stop targeting meaning one law for white and another for black?

That BBC video..
What must it be like for a police officer working in an environment where every young man you stop, or in any way interact with, is likely to have a strong dislike of you on principle as a police officer(perhaps worse if you are black), to be carrying an illegal gun, and to have several like minded friends nearby?

How could you retain a sense of proportion? How could you avoid seeing them as the enemy to be shot down before they kill you? Of course you should, but. If that report is even partly representative of some US communities the surprising thing is that the police can recruit at all.

And how to break the cycle? You won't stop carrying a gun because everyone else still will be, and as one of them pointed out the choice is between selling drugs, being on drugs or working for $8 an hour. Can't move anywhere else because they can't afford it, and the Police and rest of the city would rather contain them in one place. You're brought up to resent authority and surrounded by gangster rap that glamorises the lifestyle and is the only way to make money or escape

[KrissKross]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082340/

[edgyedgy]

johnxjsc1985 said:

We used to deport people for lesser crimes 15 years for setting fire to a haystack and transportation to the Colonies. Shutting down the transport system should at least be life.

We deported people in 2001?

[irocfan]

Mr Snrub said:

And how to break the cycle? You won't stop carrying a gun because everyone else still will be, and as one of them pointed out the choice is between selling drugs, being on drugs or working for $8 an hour. Can't move anywhere else because they can't afford it, and the Police and rest of the city would rather contain them in one place. You're brought up to resent authority and surrounded by gangster rap that glamorises the lifestyle and is the only way to make money or escape

and what's wrong with working for minimum wage?

[Mr Snrub]

irocfan said:

Mr Snrub said:

And how to break the cycle? You won't stop carrying a gun because everyone else still will be, and as one of them pointed out the choice is between selling drugs, being on drugs or working for $8 an hour. Can't move anywhere else because they can't afford it, and the Police and rest of the city would rather contain them in one place. You're brought up to resent authority and surrounded by gangster rap that glamorises the lifestyle and is the only way to make money or escape

and what's wrong with working for minimum wage?

Because selling drugs is seen as easier, more profitable and more glamorous