Black Lives Matter arrives in UK and shuts down M4

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selwonk said:

I watched this the other night:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p040v890

I think some of the UK Black Lives Matter protestors should watch it and then reflect on the true situation in the UK.

I watched that too as well. Maybe this is why the statistics seem to be skewered a bit.
Why do the NYPD have to lie a lot? It is the same whole generalisation thing, so if they are going to claim all blacks and latinos are shady, dodgy and violent , then it is only standard, if all blacks or latinos claim police are crooked and racist. (In the US at least)

i was just reading some of the statistics that have given minorities criminal records.

Driving with a faulty tail lamp
throwing gum
Jay walking

just to name a few. Really? and those are just the ones without adding all the lies
Which then justifies the statistics they like to bring out, that x% of the minority population all have criminal records

I know we have imported a lot of US stuff in here, but hopefully never , ever their police tactics.

[Don]

DoubleD said:

The police should be stopping and searching cars that need stopping and searching, they should not have to worry about anything else.

This. When I was a young man I got stopped. Regularly.

Came of working until three in the morning and then driving home to sleep before going back to work for nine am.

..and driving a right stbox of a car.

I'd have pulled me. There was "probable cause" each and every time. Never thought anything of it. The cops were always super polite and believed me - mainly because I didn't smell of drink/drugs and was still in a suit.

Since having a decent car and working during daylight hours I haven't been stopped once.

Whilst I totally believe that the cops should not behave in a racist manner (of course!) they should also not be worrying about being politically correct. If there's a reason for a stop then there's a reason. Get on and do it.

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Jimbeaux said:

So was Alton Sterling here in Baton Rouge, that didn't matter either.

Still does not mean you should execute him on the spot does it? That is why there is a judicial process. if the police cannot handle the pressures of job, then move on.

[hairyben]

279 said:

Its very disappointing that instead of tailoring the UK BLM campaign towards issues that specifically affect the Black communities in the UK they have lazily jumped on the same 'Police brutality' angle as the US campaign, which just isn't relevant here in the same way that it is the US.

What is still relevant in the UK are ridiculously skewed stop and search statics, disproportionate sentences for ethic minorities and a general ill feeling towards the Police in many communities.

I got stopped by some princess MET bh whose conduct was pretty ignorant/unprofessional and was left feeling somewhat bewildered (after previous experiences being country/trafpol and quite positive). If I'd been black I'd have been sure she must have been racist; as it was I put to down to personal prejudice against vehicle type (lifted SUV). Because as a human you have to apportion it to something. Years and much maturity later and more understanding of the MET I can appreciate she was just acting like a member of the cocky gang that is the MET. I can completely understand why anyone grown up in london may feel the MET have prejudices.

People are too quick to jump on race (and today I feel want to feel victimised or at least shout it). I'm informed there were very good justification for why the race riots such as Brixton and Broadwater farm etc happened and as I'm 38 and wasn't there to witness, I've taken whats reported to be true. But the more you see a lot of people are desperate to disproportionally pander to certain people on the basis of race/colour, the more I find myself wondering how true older facts are. Now I'm above average smarts and can compartmentalise that, but a lot of people wont, and crying wolf too often, championed by those desperate to be seen as right-on, actually plays to and creates prejudice and isolation from many.

[Thorodin]

It's down to getting an identity in a largely anonymous world. The rise of the non-entity 'celebrity' is doing nothing but diminishing those who would seek it. They cling to a persona they would like to emulate or feel the need to for protection from reality and then assume the perceived traits. They are clinging to a mass identity, best exampled by the social media frenzy to belong to something, anything. A single chant is seized on because it is simple and can mean very different things to each of the members. Tragic.

[irocfan]

g4ry13 said:

I was linked to this article which apparently is very good. I thought contrary at the time of reading and that it was overthinking it.

What a pile of st - about what I'd expect from the huff tbh. As for black being an 'uncomfortable' word... why yes it can be to people of a certain age. "Why is that?" you ask. The answer is simple - iirc in the 80s calling someone black was seen as akin to wearing a pillow-case and setting crosses on fire, people were to be called coloured. Fair do's coloured it is. Then coloured became a sin and it was Afro-Caribbean -which is fine until you reference an African as such whereupon your roundly abused and sent back to wearing pillow-cases. Ok let's now refer to people-of-colour - can make you look like a prize bellend and anyway aren't Asians or Oriental people 'of colour' too (not in the US where Asian is offensive as is Oriental). Seriously you can't tell if you're fking coming or going and THAT can be a reason why black can feel 'uncomfortable'.

[Elroy Blue]

Yet another young black male stabbed to death last night. The people who tried to save him wore Police uniforms. No sign of 'Black lives matter'.
The epedemic of knife crime has coincided with the drastic reduction in stop search as it is used as a Political football. When BLM start protesting in council sink estates and holding banners condemning gang violence, they might actually gain some credibility. Until then, they look like the pathetic opportunist they are.

[Don]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/mark-du...

This was not the saintly individual that BLM seem to want to portray. I remember the incident because of the rioting that happened after. Lot of otherwise sensible people got jail time over that and rightly so, the idiots.

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Knife crime pertains to all races. Stop making it seem as if there is only a certain type of people that use knives. The police do try and save all people of all races in the UK as far as i am aware.

As for holding banners and protesting gang violence, that would be a good suggestion too, but again should be something all races should be doing. The gangs that terrorise the streets round by here where i am, are certainly not of the same stereotype banded around.

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[Thorodin]

g4ry13 said:

I was unaware of the 'all lives matter' thing being supposedly racist and I said this to my black friend when I remarked about the stupidity of the BLM stuff. They were rather offended by me stating that shouldn't it be 'all lives matter' and I was called racist. I was linked to this article which apparently is very good. I thought contrary at the time of reading and that it was overthinking it.

That article is an attempt by a would-be preacher trying to achieve notoriety as a firebrand anti-racism activist. A scramble for legitimacy and a complete load of tosh. It's got to the stage now where anyone who tries to establish they are not racist, must be by default. The battle has moved on to the Ownership of Words again. If you don't fit the profile you are not allowed to speak the words that describe it. Why is it that only black people are permitted to identify themselves by their colour? Why was it deemed alright to have a Black Police Officers Association and not a White one? Of course some people are racists and they are rightly ostracised and vilified. They are not exclusively white. I object to being told what to think and what words to use because some inadequate shouters seek to make a name for themselves.

[Puggit]

A horse was shot dead on the M25 last night, proving that the police hold black people blocking the M4 spur in higher regard.

Now can we get on with something important?

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Thorodin said:

That article is an attempt by a would-be preacher trying to achieve notoriety as a firebrand anti-racism activist. A scramble for legitimacy and a complete load of tosh. It's got to the stage now where anyone who tries to establish they are not racist, must be by default.

Unfortunately while i agree with you, it seems that is the way of the world these days decision by default. Not sure exactly what objectives a white police officers association, would aim to address though. To better the lives and aspirations of white policemen perhaps, or to seek more white recruitment into the police force? maybe to address discrimination in the police service ?

But in the same way, seems to be anyone who looks a certain way or follows a certain religion must also be a career criminal or a terrorist be default.

[rovermorris999]

What colour was the horse? I think we should be told.

[Elroy Blue]

recycled said:

Knife crime pertains to all races. Stop making it seem as if there is only a certain type of people that use knives. The police do try and save all people of all races in the UK as far as i am aware.

As for holding banners and protesting gang violence, that would be a good suggestion too, but again should be something all races should be doing. The gangs that terrorise the streets round by here where i am, are certainly not of the same stereotype banded around.

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You need to open your eyes and take a good look at who the victims are in London's nightly knife fest.

There's a video of a group of youths shouting "black lives matter" at the same time as a black lad is being stabbed in the middle of a busy street. That was London a few weeks ago. Most young black males are killed by other young, black males. Until you're prepared to accept that it will never stop.

[anonymous-user]

recycled said:

Knife crime pertains to all races. Stop making it seem as if there is only a certain type of people that use knives. The police do try and save all people of all races in the UK as far as i am aware.

Gun and knife crime is grossly disproportionate within the communities who are protesting about 'black knives matter', both here and in the US.

If they want to reduce black deaths (especially in the UK), then they need to look intrinsically, as it's those within their community who are stabbing and shooting one another, as opposed to the state killing them or the occasional death in custody (which in all probability isn't anyone's fault).

And the point you seem to be missing is other communities aren't protesting about perceived injustices whilst at the same time committing a grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime against one another.

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Elroy Blue said:

You need to open your eyes and take a good look at who the victims are in London's nightly knife fest.

There's a video of a group of youths shouting "black lives matter" at the same time as a black lad is being stabbed in the middle of a busy street. That was London a few weeks ago. Most young black males are killed by other young, black males. Until you're prepared to accept that it will never stop.

No you need to open your eyes and stop being blinkered totally. Knife crime bothers me period. Not the race, sex or name or religion of who is committing the crime.
Who cares about a group of youths shouting? A bunch of losers with nothing to do?
Most young white males are killed by other young white males. Has your accepting that stopped it yet?( if you have ever btw)
Your own problems is that you want to scream shout and moan when a certain race commits a crime, but are quite content sitting quietly when it is committed by people of other races.
Without getting your distorted facts twisted, look at knife crime in the whole of UK and decide.
Remember the UK does not start and end in London, and many of us do not live in London

[Wobbegong]

Elroy Blue said:

You need to open your eyes and take a good look at who the victims are in London's nightly knife fest.

There's a video of a group of youths shouting "black lives matter" at the same time as a black lad is being stabbed in the middle of a busy street. That was London a few weeks ago. Most young black males are killed by other young, black males. Until you're prepared to accept that it will never stop.

That was my experience when running bars in Birmingham. Stabbings were generally black-on-black 'gang''' related.

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La Liga said:

un and knife crime is grossly disproportionate within the communities who are protesting about 'black knives matter', both here and in the US.

If they want to reduce black deaths (especially in the UK), then they need to look intrinsically, as it's those within their community who are stabbing and shooting one another, as opposed to the state killing them or the occasional death in custody (which in all probability isn't anyone's fault).

And the point you seem to be missing is other communities aren't protesting about perceived injustices whilst at the same time committing a grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime against one another.

I do not know where you get your statistics but it simply is not accurate. I think you meant to say Knife crime is always highlighted in the press when the perpetrators are of a certain ethnic group , just like any other crime. As for the US i would take anything from there with a bag of salt. If you look at the cities, that are the European knife crime capital and the UK knife crime capital, you would find that the proportionate of black people living there is very negligible. You would also find that those committing these crimes are not black.
but the press is not shouting about that because it does not make for pleasant reading.
As for looking intrinsically , especially in the UK, is that not the same for every race. If you want to stop white knife deaths in the UK, who do you look at? (Would it be white people by any chance).

While i agree that black people commit knife crimes and murder, i do not agree it is just a black thing or it simply is only the black people that commit violent crime against one another.

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Wobbegong said:

Elroy Blue said:

You need to open your eyes and take a good look at who the victims are in London's nightly knife fest.

There's a video of a group of youths shouting "black lives matter" at the same time as a black lad is being stabbed in the middle of a busy street. That was London a few weeks ago. Most young black males are killed by other young, black males. Until you're prepared to accept that it will never stop.

That was my experience when running bars in Birmingham. Stabbings were generally black-on-black 'gang''' related.

try running a bar in glasgow or merseyside

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-knif...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sc...

[Elroy Blue]

recycled said:

I do not know where you get your statistics but it simply is not accurate. I think you meant to say Knife crime is always highlighted in the press when the perpetrators are of a certain ethnic group , just like any other crime. As for the US i would take anything from there with a bag of salt. If you look at the cities, that are the European knife crime capital and the UK knife crime capital, you would find that the proportionate of black people living there is very negligible. You would also find that those committing these crimes are not black.
but the press is not shouting about that because it does not make for pleasant reading.
As for looking intrinsically , especially in the UK, is that not the same for every race. If you want to stop white knife deaths in the UK, who do you look at? (Would it be white people by any chance).

While i agree that black people commit knife crimes and murder, i do not agree it is just a black thing or it simply is only the black people that commit violent crime against one another.

You are quite simply part of the problem. You're refusal to accept there is a massive issue means that yet more young black men are going to die. It simply doesn't fit into the 'racist' agenda.
I want all stabbings to stop. You can't solve a problem until you accept there is one.