Families need more help with tackling childhood obesity?!

[Cupramax]

[rxe]

superkartracer said:

Just kidding , you are talking about a clearly fit dad towing his son , thats not a 20-30kg lard arse climbing onto a bike for the first time and i still reckon 100 watts would kill them.

Anyway , i'm putting out over 100 watts more to gain 3 mph on your rides , whats happening there then.

I quit racing and cycling and all sport a year ago as back finally stopped me , nearly 30 years training/racing ( 32 min 10k , 6.30 2k row etc etc ) i'm now the overweight lard but just starting XC running again to build core and have been knocking out 10k runs each night , so fitness still there ( but slow ) and i hope to get back into racing ( bike ) again..

The point is that 50 or 60 years ago you'd not be a lard arse hopping on a bike for the first time in years, you'd be riding a bike every day to get to work. To anyone with any experience of cycling at all, 15 mph on the flat is a lot less effort than a gentle jog. My 13 year old holds 15 average (easily) on a 15 mile ride.

[Murph7355]

pim said:

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.

Whilst I agree on metabolism, the rest of his points are fine.

It's really not hard to determine how much you can eat before putting on weight and doesn't need a penny of taxpayer money spent on it for the vast, vast majority of people.

Lazy parenting and fecklessness is the cause of this in the main and I am bemused as to what people are expecting more money being thrown at this to achieve. It will not alter the stupidity and we cannot afford for people to have personal minders stopping them sticking another donut in their mouth.

The NHS is f*cked and has absolutely no hope of keeping up with funding demands if things like this are pandered to.

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

Whilst I agree on metabolism, the rest of his points are fine.

Lazy parenting and fecklessness is the cause of this in the main and I am bemused as to what people are expecting more money being thrown at this to achieve. It will not alter the stupidity and we cannot afford for people to have personal minders stopping them sticking another donut beer in their mouth.

The NHS is f*cked and has absolutely no hope of keeping up with funding demands if things like this are pandered to.

But it isn't just this is it, you only have to go in a screeching Wetherspoons on a weekend (or probably any other night) and it's a health time bomb in the making whilst old Tim creams it in due to your points about fecklessness and stupidity and as others have mentioned about any lack of self control.

[Thankyou4calling]

JustinF said:

This boils my piss, ignorance by parents isn't something to blame on anyone but those parents. Heatlhy eating isn't hard information to come by, nor is it financially more challenging than chips and something in breadcrumbs.
As for being more prone to weight gain, utter utter bks; more prone to being feed st food by ignorant parents who choose to ignore the evidence and carry on regardless...

I agree. Far too many saw "Ohh the thing is I don't know what to eat" as if there is some majic food out there no one has told them about.

One of the issues is many people genuinely think (usually through stupidity) that they gave some special disorder or metabolic situation which means the simple and well proven formula of calories in v calories out doesn't work for them.

They invent some illness or say "It doesn't work for me" meaning it actually makes them feel a bit special and is an easily trotted out excuse for their laziness at the dinner table ( if they bother using one) or gym.

The reality is everybody knows what to eat, not yo the extent of writing a diet to peak for an Olympic event but yo lose a bit of weight but they don't want to do it. They want to bury their head in the sand.

Having said that I don't really see why we are getting worked up over fat people. If they are fat so what. Certainly I wouldn't give them gastric bands and medical support, if I were a GP and ran a surgery I would be telling probably 90% of my patients to go away, eat better, exercise more, your "Iillness" is not an illness, it's a self inflicted lifestyle choice.

Thankyouforcalling and waddle off now.

[Burwood]

pim said:

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.

The biggest excuse one hears. Oh my metabolism is screwed up. My 600lb mate thought that. Until he had all the tests and was told, actually, it's bullst. The incidence of this abnormality is so rare as to be discounted in this discussion at least. People are fat because they eat too much food and don't move to compensate.

Did you know a fat person(say obese) has a raging metabolism. Not low. it's high.

[Pan Pan Pan]

JustinF said:

pim said:

Tell that a child who's parents or parent haven't got a clue what to feed. their offspring.It starts when you are young and some people are far more prone to weight gain than others.The food industry has to carry plenty of blame it is all about the money.The horse statement is either here nor there.

This boils my piss, ignorance by parents isn't something to blame on anyone but those parents. Heatlhy eating isn't hard information to come by, nor is it financially more challenging than chips and something in breadcrumbs.
As for being more prone to weight gain, utter utter bks; more prone to being feed st food by ignorant parents who choose to ignore the evidence and carry on regardless...

It is true to say that some big babies are born, but not necessarily from parents who are over weight, it is therefore amazing to see the vast proportions that some individuals can grow to, once they are born. What happens to children once they are born is mostly the responsibility of the parents. If they happen to be over eating, morbidly overweight people, then it can hardly be too big a surprise if their children turn out the same way too, but where that condition actually comes from in eating/exercising/ and mental attitude is in most case all too clear. To blame others for theirs and their children`s obesity, and expect others to do what they, the parents `should; have done is so vey wrong.
It is a strange childlike mentality that seems to exist in some, that the responsibility for the life position/s they find themselves in, must always be `someone elses', never, ever themselves?

The ONLY person in the world who controls what goes through the hole in the front of our faces, is ourselves

[Randy Winkman]

This programme suggested there are fundamental biological differences that play a part in weight gain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fys2y

Though it certainly didn't suggest that those who have drawn a short straw should give up on the issue.

[Thankyou4calling]

I'm not going to watch that because I know it'll just be another thing on the list of excuses for fatties.

I've a slow metabolism
I don't know what to eat
I can't afford healthy food
It's my glands
I only have to look at a cake and I put on weight.
It's my genes
It's the supermarkets fault
It's the governments fault
I'm too busy to cook
I hardly eat anything
I'm on medication
I can't understand it I hardly eat a thing
I've got no choice.
I can't help it.
My friend eats more and is thin it's just not fair
I only eat salads.
You just don't understand what it's like to be me.

All excuses. And people will keep looking for them and surrounding themselves with like minded people who mid their head and say they agree.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 21st August 10:57

[Halb]

Randy Winkman said:

This programme suggested there are fundamental biological differences that play a part in weight gain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fys2y

Though it certainly didn't suggest that those who have drawn a short straw should give up on the issue.

There are vet stinky genetic disadvantages. Various good docs show this. Is the above the one that shows some people have doubled down on various fat collection genes which means they store fat far easier than others?

[Pan Pan Pan]

pim said:

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.

It is true to say that peoples metabolism can vary. but it is for those, for whom weight gain/ metabolism appears to be a problem, to be more careful about what, and how much they put through the hole in the front of their face, and to do exercise.
Whether they want to or not of course, is entirely up to them.
Alternatively they can just blame, their parents, the food manufacturers, food advertisers (especially junk food) the government, their friends, anyone in fact, except themselves.

[JustinF]

pim said:

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.

you're a fatty aren't you

[Pan Pan Pan]

JustinF said:

pim said:

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.

you're a fatty aren't you

To be fair I `was' one of those people who could eat a horse, and have nothing to show for it, for years. In later life, I noticed that I could not carry on like that, because if I carried on eating the way I used to, I would be the size of a house.
If a person does not notice the way they metabolize food, and how their activity level can change as they get older, (and that this can and does change over time) for themselves, who else is going to be better placed to do something about it than they themselves?
Some it seems always like to blame external sources for their condition, when really it comes down to their attitude/s and will power, and self respect. If they do not have these elements at sufficient levels, they are in trouble (hence the leading the horse to water but not be able to make it drink comment) If they are not willing to take responsibility for, and respect themselves, they can hardly be surprised if others don't either.

[Randy Winkman]

Halb said:

Randy Winkman said:

This programme suggested there are fundamental biological differences that play a part in weight gain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fys2y

Though it certainly didn't suggest that those who have drawn a short straw should give up on the issue.

There are vet stinky genetic disadvantages. Various good docs show this. Is the above the one that shows some people have doubled down on various fat collection genes which means they store fat far easier than others?

I watched it a couple of months ago - but that sounds right.

[Randy Winkman]

Thankyou4calling said:

I'm not going to watch that because I know it'll just be another thing on the list of excuses for fatties.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 21st August 10:57

Science?

[dudleybloke]

Randy Winkman said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I'm not going to watch that because I know it'll just be another thing on the list of excuses for fatties.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 21st August 10:57

Science?

If they try an experiment of eating less and moving more what do you think the results would be, and would this science experiment be repeatable?

[Pan Pan Pan]

dudleybloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I'm not going to watch that because I know it'll just be another thing on the list of excuses for fatties.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Sunday 21st August 10:57

Science?

If they try an experiment of eating less and moving more what do you think the results would be, and would this science experiment be repeatable?

I guess simply put, it could equal
A. 2000 calories in, against 500 calories used up = weight gain.
B 2000 calories in against 2000 calories used up = Steady weight.
C. 2000 calories in against 3000 calories used up = weight loss.

[gruffalo]

It also depends on the type of food eaten.

Most processed carbohydrates are quick to digest, the body can't use the energy released quickly enough so stores it as fat.

You also need to eat the right slow burn foods as well as calorie count or you won't get far down the weight loss path.

[Burwood]

Randy Winkman said:

Halb said:

Randy Winkman said:

This programme suggested there are fundamental biological differences that play a part in weight gain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fys2y

Though it certainly didn't suggest that those who have drawn a short straw should give up on the issue.

There are vet stinky genetic disadvantages. Various good docs show this. Is the above the one that shows some people have doubled down on various fat collection genes which means they store fat far easier than others?

I watched it a couple of months ago - but that sounds right.

So, an issue effecting a tiny percentage can now be adopted by all fat people as an excuse. It is all an excuse. One is fat because they choose to be.

[Smollet]

Burwood said:

So, an issue effecting a tiny percentage can now be adopted by all fat people as an excuse. It is all an excuse. One is fat because they choose to be.

Or they choose not to be skinny.